Author Topic: COMPLETE Crimson Heroless (Read 27256 times)

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #75 on:** December 09, 2008, 02:28:17 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 08, 2008, 04:50:58 PM

Heroless is already very risky as it is; I personally don't think heroless decks will ever get too far, but whatever's fun for the player, I guess.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 08, 2008, 08:27:18 AM
Oh, I get it now ! What should I take out for Trembling Demon?
Whatever you were going to take out for Uzzah.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 08, 2008, 08:27:18 AM
If they somehow kill Paul (how, though? He can't be captured, converted, or removed from the game and I have 3 healing cards!), I can still recur my Unbowed with my white brigade hero.
Infectious disease (or Two Possessed by Demons if both of you have played your SoG's)...he's a goner. Set-aside is practically unprotectable, so you may want to put in Emp. Augustus just in case - he fits perfectly.

Define far :-p

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I'm working on the Offense, maybe something like this?

Words of Encouragement
Reach of Desperation
Jordan Interrupted
AOCP
Trumpet Blast
Zeal for the lord
Brass Serpant
Built on Rock

That is a smaller version of what I use. It should work fine. Idk why you need protection from capture, you have built on the rock. Switch that out for Blessings.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #76 on:** December 09, 2008, 07:53:20 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 09, 2008, 02:28:17 AM

Define far :-p

A notable place at nationals, perhaps?

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 09, 2008, 02:28:17 AM

Idk why you need protection from capture, you have built on the rock. Switch that out for Blessings.

Have you ever played a self-capture Assyrian deck? They're terrible, especially without a capture preventer.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #77 on:** December 09, 2008, 08:16:11 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 09, 2008, 07:53:20 AM

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 09, 2008, 02:28:17 AM
Define far :-p
A notable place at nationals, perhaps?

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 09, 2008, 02:28:17 AM
Idk why you need protection from capture, you have built on the rock. Switch that out for Blessings.
Have you ever played a self-capture Assyrian deck? They're terrible, especially without a capture preventer.

I'll cross that road when I need to, but this deck isn't really competitive; just for fun. Also, with that being said, I don't think I'll have much trouble with self captures if I put Hidden Treasures in, I'll end the battle before they get to play a capture card!

Even if they somehow get around hidden treasures, hopefully my cards like Great Image, The Wages of Sin, Captures (aftering using HQ at Riblah), etc will have destroyed most, if not all, of their offense.

So, beings that will be the case... I'm taking out Book of the Cov. and Covenant of Palestines.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #78 on:** December 09, 2008, 05:28:44 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 09, 2008, 07:53:20 AM

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 09, 2008, 02:28:17 AM
Define far :-p
A notable place at nationals, perhaps?

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 09, 2008, 02:28:17 AM
Idk why you need protection from capture, you have built on the rock. Switch that out for Blessings.
Have you ever played a self-capture Assyrian deck? They're terrible, especially without a capture preventer.

15th at nationals notable enough?

. XD Actually I use a self capture deck but if the defense works properly and shuts down their offense a self capture can only go so far. Self capture is just a stall technique.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #79 on:** December 09, 2008, 07:05:13 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 09, 2008, 05:28:44 PM

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 09, 2008, 07:53:20 AM
Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 09, 2008, 02:28:17 AM
Define far :-p
A notable place at nationals, perhaps?

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 09, 2008, 02:28:17 AM
Idk why you need protection from capture, you have built on the rock. Switch that out for Blessings.
Have you ever played a self-capture Assyrian deck? They're terrible, especially without a capture preventer.
15th at nationals notable enough? . XD Actually I use a self capture deck but if the defense works properly and shuts down their offense a self capture can only go so far. Self capture is just a stall technique.

Hmm, now that I think of it self capture won't be a problem. They'll run out of capture enhancements fairly quickly, and if my heroless defense works stalling is useless. The only thing I'd be worried about is timing out, and I usually play fast

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My biggest concern is still Arts/Covs/Curses...

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #80 on:** December 09, 2008, 09:12:15 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 09, 2008, 08:16:11 AM

Even if they somehow get around hidden treasures, hopefully my cards like Great Image, The Wages of Sin, Captures (aftering using HQ at Riblah), etc will have destroyed most, if not all, of their offense.

With discarding Heroes, just make sure you get rid of CoF, or it isn't too helpful; as for The Wages of Sin, I still don't see how that really helps.

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 09, 2008, 02:28:17 AM

15th at nationals notable enough?

If you can get to 10th even, then I'll eat my words.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 09, 2008, 07:05:13 PM

Hmm, now that I think of it self capture won't be a problem. They'll run out of capture enhancements fairly quickly, and if my heroless defense works stalling is useless. The only thing I'd be worried about is timing out, and I usually play fast .

My biggest concern is still Arts/Covs/Curses...

Yeah, I suppose, but I still think it's annoying and would be nice to prevent if possible.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #81 on:** December 09, 2008, 09:27:48 PM »

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With discarding Heroes, just make sure you get rid of CoF, or it isn't too helpful;

Destruction + Desecrate the Temple + Lying unto god seems like it would do the trick

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as for The Wages of Sin, I still don't see how that really helps.

Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Crimson • Ability: 2 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: Search draw pile for one Grim Reaper card and put it in your hand, or remove a Hero in a territory from the game. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Romans 6:33 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Common)

It can discard (Christian Martyr) or remove a hero

. I just mentioned it because it can discard... Sorry about the confusion

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #82 on:** December 09, 2008, 10:14:39 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 09, 2008, 09:27:48 PM

Destruction + Desecrate the Temple + Lying unto god seems like it would do the trick !

Desecrate the Temple doesn't negate, you know. (Replace it with DoN, though.)

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 09, 2008, 09:27:48 PM

It can discard (Christian Martyr) or remove a hero .

The "discarding" part uses a dominant that you would have simply drawn later otherwise, and the removal part cannot win you a battle if you use it. You might as well just replace it with a battle-winner, IMO.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #83 on:** December 10, 2008, 02:39:57 AM »

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Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 09, 2008, 03:28:17 AM
15th at nationals notable enough? Wink
If you can get to 10th even, then I'll eat my words.

1st year heroless 25th, 2nd year heroless 20th, 3rd year heroless 15th. If the trend keeps up you will

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I agree on wages of sin, add in sarah's jealousy for it. If you switch their hero, play Gi then cm their hero you just killed ALL their heroes.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #84 on:** December 10, 2008, 07:31:03 AM »

I've done that before; it's really fun (epecially if they don't have a way to get their heroes back).

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #85 on:** December 12, 2008, 11:28:47 PM »

DECK UPDATED, anyone have some more improvements? I'd like to finish this deck up soon (I'm missing about 5-6 cards in it; hoping to get the list of what I need down so I can get them for Christmas... haha)

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #86 on:** December 13, 2008, 02:16:13 AM »

Hey, are you able to use I Am Healing when a Hero is about to be discarded, or can you only use it during the Art phase? You want to make absolutely sure that Paul won't be discarded, because once he is, he becomes an EC again, and things like CoF can't bring him back.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #87 on:** December 13, 2008, 03:55:55 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 13, 2008, 02:16:13 AM

Hey, are you able to use I Am Healing when a Hero is about to be discarded, or can you only use it during the Art phase? You want to make absolutely sure that Paul won't be discarded, because once he is, he becomes an EC again, and things like CoF can't bring him back.

it'd be useless if it wasn't like UW. It works at any time.

Also, HOH out for G cow. Your def can own tsa. I'd also add in either jordan inturupted or another ITb play next card.

Tsavong Lah · « **Reply #88 on:** December 13, 2008, 05:00:48 AM »

If you pull HoH, you lose Trembling Demon's usefulness.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #89 on:** December 13, 2008, 08:47:38 AM »

Two Bears could be quite nice.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #90 on:** December 13, 2008, 10:27:06 AM »

Quote from: fireninja on November 22, 2008, 01:54:24 PM

I don't think that teal is all that great to compete in a competitive tourneys. I have never had a teal deck beat me to the win, or even penetrate my D. Not enough of an arsenal. Orange is still good because unlike teal, is can recur.

Then i assume you haven't played josh brinkman, eh?

JSB23 · « **Reply #91 on:** December 13, 2008, 12:10:53 PM »

shame, Martin you don't use actual names

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #92 on:** December 21, 2008, 02:23:12 PM »

I finally got around to testing this deck. It drew pretty poorly, I'd like to make the defence bigger.
What should I take out? Should I bump it up to 70 cards?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #93 on:** December 21, 2008, 02:31:47 PM »

How many games did ya play?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #94 on:** December 21, 2008, 02:37:24 PM »

I would get rid of:
Burial Shroud
Apprehended
Coliseum Lions
KotW

for:
King Merodach-Baladan
Belshazzar's Banquet
Midianite Attack
Set Fire

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #95 on:** December 21, 2008, 03:09:05 PM »

I would get rid of:
Burial Shroud -> I'd like to keep this if possible. Great for stalling if I'm running out of power.
Apprehended -> I'll think about this, but this is a good card.
Coliseum Lions -> No
KotW -> Why?!?! It Protects my Saul/Paul from aotl, if I got rid of this I'd only be able to hold 7 cards in my hand, because I'd have to keep my Saul/Paul in it. Not to mention it deals with pesky CTB decks.

for:
King Merodach-Baladan
Belshazzar's Banquet -> I don't like this idea. I focus on killing their heroes, not stalling.
Midianite Attack -> Hmm. I can see this owning with Leviathan

! I'll probably replace this with Apprehended.
Set Fire -> I can see discarding fortresses useful, but I don't think this warrants a spot. I'll think about it, though.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #96 on:** December 21, 2008, 03:40:21 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 21, 2008, 03:09:05 PM

Burial Shroud -> I'd like to keep this if possible. Great for stalling if I'm running out of power.
Belshazzar's Banquet -> I don't like this idea. I focus on killing their heroes, not stalling.

Somehow this is controversial.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 21, 2008, 03:09:05 PM

Coliseum Lions -> No

Why not? It's NT so it's less useful, you need initiative to use it, it's easy to protect against, it's negatable; there's really nothing special about it, and it could easily be replaced with something better.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 21, 2008, 03:09:05 PM

KotW -> Why?!?! It Protects my Saul/Paul from aotl, if I got rid of this I'd only be able to hold 7 cards in my hand, because I'd have to keep my Saul/Paul in it. Not to mention it deals with pesky CTB decks.

I just don't really see it being too useful. AotL is something that your opponent will probably never use on Saul/Paul, a big reason being that AotL is used almost exclusively in battle to win a LS. As for CTB decks...is that really a big problem? If you're really worried about that, though, Lurking is an option, Unknown Nation being another. Lots of things can stop CTB decks.

Apprehended isn't really that great; you already have enough capture, and capture is something that can easily be protected against. Also, it's NT.

I don't know if you noticed King MB's SA, but he is able to play Carried int Exile, Set Fire, or Desecrate the Temple before your opponent even gets to say "mi?" and also gives you a good peek at your opponent's arsenal.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #97 on:** December 21, 2008, 03:52:11 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 21, 2008, 03:40:21 PM

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 21, 2008, 03:09:05 PM
Burial Shroud -> I'd like to keep this if possible. Great for stalling if I'm running out of power.
Belshazzar's Banquet -> I don't like this idea. I focus on killing their heroes, not stalling.
Somehow this is controversial.

Focus isn't exclusive.

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 21, 2008, 03:40:21 PM

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 21, 2008, 03:09:05 PM
Coliseum Lions -> No
Why not? It's NT so it's less useful, you need initiative to use it, it's easy to protect against, it's negatable; there's really nothing special about it, and it could easily be replaced with something better.

Like what? I'd sooner take this over Belsharezer's Banquet or Set Fire

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 21, 2008, 03:40:21 PM

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 21, 2008, 03:09:05 PM
KotW -> Why?!?! It Protects my Saul/Paul from aotl, if I got rid of this I'd only be able to hold 7 cards in my hand, because I'd have to keep my Saul/Paul in it. Not to mention it deals with pesky CTB decks.
I just don't really see it being too useful. AotL is something that your opponent will probably never use on Saul/Paul, a big reason being that AotL is used almost exclusively in battle to win a LS. As for CTB decks...is that really a big problem? If you're really worried about that, though, Lurking is an option, Unknown Nation being another. Lots of things can stop CTB decks.

Firstly, if they know it is heroless they will AoTL my Saul/Paul and chances are I'll just curl up and die from there. Secondly, if I were to add in another card to protect me from CTB... why not Kingdoms?

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 21, 2008, 03:40:21 PM

Apprehended isn't really that great; you already have enough capture, and capture is something that can easily be protected against. Also, it's NT.

Enough capture? Hah, the more the merrier. Even if I got rid of this, what should I add in? I'd sooner take this over Set Fire and Belsharezer's Banquet.

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 21, 2008, 03:40:21 PM

I don't know if you noticed King MB's SA, but he is able to play Carried int Exile, Set Fire, or Desecrate the Temple before your opponent even gets to say "mi?" and also gives you a good peek at your opponent's arsenal.

I'd add him in, but I don't have any room.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #98 on:** December 21, 2008, 04:08:47 PM »

You don't seem to like Belshazzar's banquet, and by this I am extremely shocked....see:

Belshazzar's Banquet is just about the greatest evil enhancement! It is second only to DoU in its usefulness. Just block with a low-number character to get initiative (like Ashpenaz or Nebushasban - or it's nice with Gomer and your opp's EC - it's also great with Archers of Kedar if you had it, which you should), and then when you play it your opp can't negate. What's the matter with stalling, anyway?

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #99 on:** December 21, 2008, 04:15:36 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 21, 2008, 04:08:47 PM

You don't seem to like Belshazzar's banquet, and by this I am extremely shocked....see: Belshazzar's Banquet is just about the greatest evil enhancement! It is second only to DoU in its usefulness. Just block with a low-number character to get initiative (like Ashpenaz or Nebushasban - or it's nice with Gomer and your opp's EC - it's also great with Archers of Kedar if you had it, which you should), and then when you play it your opp can't negate. What's the matter with stalling, anyway?

Firstly, I took out Archers of Kedar to fit in Trembling Demon

Secondly, I'd like to keep my low number characters alive! After I convert, initiative owns.
Finally, I don't mind stalling if it is a normal deck, but stalling in heroless doesn't seem to work well, mainly because they'll just come back next turn while your still waiting for them to deck out.

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