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The nice thing about Canaanites is that some of the chumps (Foreign Wives, Fire Foxes) fit quite well in a Canaanite defense so you get the best of both worlds.

I don't have a list handy at the moment, but I'm definitely planning to put one together. Brown/Black also looks really good with all the characters that can play either brigade (Jezebel, Abimelech, Canaanite Wives, Foreign Wives).

Canaanite Wives are reallyyyy good. The thing with Cans is they are a setup type defense that get a huge boost when you get to play 4x Foreign Site and 2x Canaan. So Iran tough in type one because you take away their capture recursion threat which are a huge part of their defensive strategy and defense.

Lot’s Wife
Gib Delegates
Can Wives
Sisera’s Army
Emim
Demetrius
Foreign Wives
Goliath

Seized by Rioters
Gibeonite Treaty
the Wages of Sin
Slayers Glee
Plot to Kill
Idol Worship
Avenged
Lingering in Sodom

3 neutrals here so I would put it with Judges and run Prisoner at gaza as well. But I think it’s not as strong in type 1 because you can’t capture them or utilize a lot of their strengths. It’s not as good as the giant band or Pharisees saduccees and it’s mostly the same enhancements. I like Slayers Glee as an outside of battle block and Lingering Hhelpa with Reserve access but you lose an add to battle plus battle winner especially a CBN on Wives. You can go all Cans with Tower and The Women of Thebez and go that route as well.

Ok, so I don't think this is anywhere near a final version, but it's a start.
1   Sodom & Gomorrah
1   Pit of Dothan (FoM)
1   Asherah Pole

1   Canaanite Wives
1   The Fallen King
1   King Jeroboam I
1   King Ahaziah (PC)
1   King Ahab
1   Demetrius the Silversmith
1   Outsiders (Brown/Crimson) (RoJ)
1   The Deceiver (RoJ)

1   Idol Worship
1   Brothers' Envy
1   Seized by Rioters
1   Darkness (FoM)
1   Daughter's Grief
1   Breaking Jerusalem's Wall (RoA)

Reserve:
1   Foreign Wives
1   Jezebel (RoA)
1   Shrine to Artemis
1   Household Idols
1   Image of the Beast (RoJ)
1   Idols of Canaan


It's pretty big, and I'm not certain the enhancements are the best ones to go with, but I'd say it's a pretty good start. There are a lot of characters who can search for multiple things in multiple locations, and a lot of recursion for a defense. Weakest links are canaanite wives, ahab, and jezebel. they aren't that good, but they do fill important, niche roles, as well as round out the defense a bit.

TFK grabs SaG, PoD, and Asherah Pole from deck, as well as everything from reserve.
Demetrius grabs Asherah pole, Idol Worship, and outsiders from deck, as well as making SbR CBN
Canaanite wives grabs idols from reserve and makes Idol worship and Brother's Envy (if PoD is in play) CBN
King Jeroboam grabs 4 of the 6 enhancements out of deck or discard, which is SUPER amazing. He can only play two of them however, so that's not super amazing.
King Ahaziah grabs the same stuff as Demetrius, but he can also grab demetrius, and he grabs all those out of deck or discard!
King ahab can grab SaG, but he's mostly here for the Asherah pole play first combo.
Outsiders grabs idols from anywhere basically. not much to say here.
Deceiver grabs everyone else from deck/reserve. 
Foreign wives is OP.
And Jezebel is again for the ahab combo, as well as being another trigger for Idol worship, SAG, and Idols of Canaan.

Quick question: Idols of canaan says "limit once" It does not specify once per game, so if it was deactivated for a turn and then reactivated, would you be able to use it again? My understanding of "once" is that if it does not specify "per game" or whatever, that it's basically "once while this card is still in play"

V2, same size.

1   Sodom & Gomorrah
1   Pit of Dothan (FoM)

1   Canaanite Wives
1   The Fallen King
1   King Jeroboam I
1   King Ahaziah (PC)
1   King Ahab
1   Demetrius the Silversmith
1   Outsiders (Brown/Crimson) (RoJ)
1   Michal (CoW)
1   The Deceiver (RoJ)

1   Idol Worship
1   Brothers' Envy
1   Seized by Rioters
1   Daughter's Grief
1   Breaking Jerusalem's Wall (RoA)
1   Scattered
1   Stone of Thebez (RoA)

Reserve:
1   Foreign Wives
1   Jezebel (RoA)
1   Household Idols
1   Image of the Beast (RoJ)
1   Asherah Pole
1   Gideon's Ephod

I think Seized is worth it, but Demetrius should be in Reserve.

I like how the defense has changed but it’s isnt even a Caananites defense anymore 

But how do you deal with initiative when using such a defense as posted here. or the giant one or a any other which comes mostly with big characters (well here at least you have some smaller ones too)?

Sure but coming back to the listed defense here - my question also referred to that one: How would you deal with initiative with the listed defense? Could not find any interrupt or negate enhancements and only a few small ECs.