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Since the likelihood of me playing in any T1 tournaments for the near future is pretty slim, I figured I'd share this deck idea with everyone else who is saying how crazy good this Foreign Wives character that everyone is going to be using. Feel free to take it, tweak it, or simply scoff at it as you wish.

Cards in Deck: 57

Lost Souls (8)
-Site Discard
-Revealer
-Exchanger
-NT Only
-Deck Discard
-Site Doubler
-Fool
-CBP

Sites (3)
-Hormah
-Caesarea Phillipi
-Golgotha

Artifacts (4)
-Stone Pillar at Bethel
-Household Idols
-Denarius
-Hidden Treasures

DAEs
-Seven Years of Plenty

Dominants (8)
-Son of God (I/J)
-New Jerusalem
-Angel of the Lord (G or J)
-Grapes of Wrath
-Christian Martyr
-Falling Away
-Mayhem
-Vain Philosophy

Covenants (1)
-I am Holy

Curses (2)
-Go into Captivity
-Captured Ark

Fortresses (1)
-Rome

Heroes (9)
-Joseph
-Eve
-Jacob
-Rachel
-Simeon
-Dan
-Zebulun
-Asher
-Abel

GEs (8)
-Reuben's Torn Clothes
-Cup of Wrath
-Job Overcomes
-Joseph Before Pharaoh
-Answer to Prayer
-Abraham's Descendant
-Jubilee
-Creation of the World

Evil Characters (7)
-Emperor Tiberius
-Emperor Galba
-Emperor Vitellius
-Mocking Soldier (J)
-Pontius Pilate
-Sabbath Breaker
-The Entrapping Pharisee

Evil Enhancements (6)
-Balaam's Disobedience
-Heavy Taxes
-Naaman's Chariot and Horses
-Sorrow of Mary
-Romans Destroy Jerusalem
-Gold Shield

Basically, the idea is hand control, as well as punishing your opponent for using Foreign Wives (which, if all the cool kids are right, will apply in every game ever). Firstly, your speediest card on offense is Seven Years of Plenty, which gets you just under the limit for FWs ability to kick in. Dan is also nice, as you can choose for him to draw 2 if you want to bait FW (which in some cases you will) or you can have them discard an evil card. Secondly: Job Overcomes. I hope I don't need to spell it out for you. Thirdly, Asher can recur pretty much as many Heroes as you'd like, in addition to a few battle nice battle winners. Fourthly, your defense isn't designed to be too hardy, but it should provide enough blocks to get your evil-clearing offense going. Fifthly, using Sorrow of Mary and Vain Philosophy in the same deck is brutal.

You do have to worry about Thaddeus, but that's why Cup of Wrath is there so you can play RDJ during the side battle. I'd like to fit in and anti-Nazareth card or two, but I'm not sure which would be most effective, or what to replace with it.

Though I am new to the forums I have been playing Redemption since 98 and I have seen several cards come into the game that people have said will cause such a stir.  And while I do concede that some of the cards have been very powerful there is always a way around it.  It all becomes a matter of building your deck and just having fun.  And this deck looks really cool.  Thank you for posting it.

-forgiven1

I'm glad to share it. I have been looking at Job Overcomes as a way to outmaneuver Foreign Wives since the playtesting stage, and between that, Eve, Asher, and RTC, I would say that FW might do more harm than good for your opponent.

This deck seems like it needs it's own copy of Foreign Wives and Obedience of Noah to set up the play.

 You might consider adding Seven Years of Famine, that's another good hand control card. Emperor Otho and scattered might be good things to consider adding too as FBTNB is a difficult matchup for the deck.

One of the "cool kids" sees he is right by your logic you have to build a deck around stopping one card

Quote from: jbeers285 on June 15, 2013, 12:38:03 AM

One of the "cool kids" sees he is right by your logic you have to build a deck around stopping one card

If he was doing that, he'd be playing King David.

My point is not off; king David or not

Do you have any recommendations to strengthen the defense?

I think you've got pretty much the best emperor stuff there.  I'm just not a fan of emperor's in general.  That being said, I'd probably put in Scattered instead of Sorrow of Mary.  The effect is basically the same, but Scattered will be CBN when you want to play it.

Quote from: Professoralstad on June 14, 2013, 11:52:18 PM

Do you have any recommendations to strengthen the defense?

I think you've got pretty much the best emperor stuff there.  I'm just not a fan of emperor's in general.  That being said, I'd probably put in Scattered instead of Sorrow of Mary.  The effect is basically the same, but Scattered will be CBN when you want to play it.

Can you explain this a little more? Because unless I'm misunderstanding something you don't make much sense. those two cards do completely different things.

I considered SYoF, but it stops RTC and Zebulun, as well as Chariot and Sabbath Breaker, and it will often make me discard as well. I might do some testing with it though.

One thing I like about both Genesis and Romans is that they have enough solid card options that there are multiple ways to build a deck with them. I too build a "Tim Mierzejewski" deck after the new cards were released and found that it's extremely powerful. Unless my memory fails me, it's still undefeated after several games. The highlight was playing against Martin at NC Regionals in a pick up game and beating his FBTNb deck. Beating that deck is always an accomplishment, but beating it when Martin is behind the wheel is a rare feat that most of us seldom experience. In Martin's defense he did not have any of the new cards in his deck, not that there's much to add to it.

While our decks have several cards in common, I've taken a bit of a different approach. I'm going under the assumption that a lot of my opponents will have Nazareth so I built in a way that it won't hurt me much. That actually allows me to include it, in addition to the Sites you already run. That means I'm not using Answer to Prayer, Hidden Treasures or Stone Pillar. Because Nazareth (and sometimes the other Sites too) can be such a silver bullet, I'm using Well Reopened to grab the best of the bunch. Nazareth also works extremely well with all the underdecking this deck can do, since the underdecked cards usually don't get shuffled.

I am using Denarius but the verdict is still out on that card. There have been games where it's been really good and other games where it didn't really do anything. I didn't include Rome and I haven't missed it yet. You're really only using it for first strike and potentially thinning a card from your deck. It's probably not doing enough and would be better off as a Scattered or something else.

I've opted for the Seven Years of Famine and been really happy with it. I've rarely had to discard to it, but it's made several of my opponents miserable. Zebulun is a late game play so it hasn't really hindered him. RTC is CBN on Joe and Ben so that's been OK too. The last time I saw 7YoF played was when you brutalized me way back during testing. Man, I hated that card! It's a lot funner being on the "giving" end.

My defense is a little bigger than yours, both in ECs and EEs. I focused more on the pure hand control and don't really draw much myself. Every single character on my defense will potentially take a card from hand. I'm not using the draw ECs. Instead, I have Emperor Augustus, King Menahem and Spirit of Temptation. I really like banding SoT to one of my other characters to hit 2 cards. Since I'm using Hypocrite's Proselyte, I even have a battle winner I can use on him in a pinch. It also underdecks AUtO. I've found that he can be slightly annoying sometimes.

Those are the key differences in our deck lists. I hope everyone enjoys playing with this Genesis/Rome. I expect it's going to be around quite a bit in the coming year!

Sorrow of Mary is also a Gold EE that discards all but one Hero in battle; I believe that is what he thought it was.

Yep, that's the one I was thinking of, and I saw both of them as EEs dealing with banding attacks.  Sorry about the confusion.

Overall, I like Gabe's suggestions a lot with one exception.  Playing a defensive heavy deck that doesn't draw often seems to falter against a really well build speed deck in good hands.  Even though it's defense heavy, it can't draw enough of that defense fast enough to keep up with the speed deck.

Thanks for the insight, Gabe. I still have yet to do any testing with it, so I am not sure how everything works. I am considering Jacob's Dream as an anti-Naz solution, but I would also consider your idea of taking out the searches and using it myself.

Jacob's Dream wouldn't really solve your problem at all because it adds it to your territory instead of theirs so you still can't search. That's why I suggested Sound the Trumpet.