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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Type 1 Deck Advice => Topic started by: Chronic Apathy on August 19, 2011, 11:29:13 AM
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This is my first attempt to make a semi-serious turtle deck, and the only game I played with it didn't work as I'd hoped (Paul got captured by Magic Charms as soon as I converted him). Looking for general advice on how to prevent things like that from happening. I think there's a lot of potential for this, since there's no way to stop an AoCp with protection if Iron Pan is out, but I'm having a hard time coming up with a solid formula, since I can't very well have 6 different artifacts out.
Cards in deck: 53
Lost Souls: 7
Lost Soul (anti-burial)
Lost Soul (Female Only)
Lost Soul (first round)
Lost Soul (N.T. only)
Lost Soul (revealer)
Lost Soul (shuffler)
Lost Soul (Shut Door)
Lamb Dominants: 5
Angel of the Lord
Grapes of Wrath
Guardian Of Your Souls
New Jerusalem
Son of God
Grim Reaper Dominants: 5
Burial
Christian Martyr
Destruction of Nehushtan
Falling Away
Mayhem
Fortresses: 2
Goshen
Headquarters at Riblah
Artifacts: 5
Ark of the Covenant
Hidden Treasures
Holy Grail
Iron Pan
Unholy Writ
Multi-Color Heroes: 1
Ezekiel (Green/Teal)
Purple Heroes: 1
Ananias of Damascus
Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 1
Brass Serpent
Purple Hero Enhancements: 1
Authority of Christ
Crimson Evil Characters: 12
Archers of Kedar
Arioch
Ashpenaz
Babylonian Forces
Babylonian Soldiers
King Belshazzar
King Merodach-baladan
King Zimri
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebushasban
Nergalsharezer
The Imperial Guard
Gray Evil Characters: 1
Saul/Paul
Crimson Evil Enhancements: 12
Belshazzar's Banquet
Carried into Exile
Christian Suing Another
Desecrate the Temple
Great Image
Head of Gold
Imitating Evil
Midianite Attack
Nebuchadnezzar's Dream
Nebuchadnezzar's Pride
Swift Horses
Treachery of Jezebel
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I don't know how you expect to rescue any souls with this offense.
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I could see AOCP as 1, Angel as another, and Sog+NJ third and fourth, but if they have any discard protection this deck is toast.
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Yeah you need some kind of offense in this deck. I would take out Ezekiel and Aocp and add 3 pre block cards you can play on Paul and add I am Healing and Covenant of Palestine.
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If you have Ezekiel in a herolite offense with Babs for defense and you don't use Forest Fire or Drawn Sword, you're doing it wrong. Zeke + Forest Fire is just like Thomas + MLaMG, except Zeke gets better inish and can recur FF. Plus both of these can be used on either offense or defense, depending on your need.
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I could see AOCP as 1, Angel as another, and Sog+NJ third and fourth, but if they have any discard protection this deck is toast.
That's the point of using Iron Pan. Wait until they deck out, presumably with the vast majority of their defense on the table, and put up Iron Pan to negate protection. The caveat that I just realized is Iron Pan negates play abilities which ruins the entire concept of the deck. Crap.
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You could run Primary Objective for fun.
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I could see AOCP as 1, Angel as another, and Sog+NJ third and fourth, but if they have any discard protection this deck is toast.
That's the point of using Iron Pan. Wait until they deck out, presumably with the vast majority of their defense on the table, and put up Iron Pan to negate protection. The caveat that I just realized is Iron Pan negates play abilities which ruins the entire concept of the deck. Crap.
Yeah, pretty much any deck that could work as a Herolite has a serious drawback with Iron Pan. There's really no two ways about it. You'd pretty much have to make sure that you can use something on defense to get rid of a protect fort (I always used to use Besieged in my Heroless) and there are plenty of options for the deck (Forest Fire is one). As for protecting Paul from Charms, the best way is Obadiah's Caves, since it doesn't require an artifact slot. But again, remember that IP negates it, so if you see a Charms coming, don't have a converted Paul and IP up at the same time until you're rid of it.
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Invoking Terror Saul/Paul or Magic Charms on my turn and SoG it. :)