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Re: The power of prayer
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2009, 09:14:33 PM »
Pol, that was below the belt. Funny. But below the belt.
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Re: The power of prayer
« Reply #51 on: January 01, 2010, 02:45:25 AM »
 ???I think MCK's statement was directed toward me.  If not, there was no point in saying it.  It'd be like him apologizing and saying "I feel strongly about people who lie".  It'd be completely irrelevant.  I don't quite see how it could be a generalization.
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Re: The power of prayer
« Reply #52 on: January 01, 2010, 03:02:15 AM »
it was a generalization. just stating how i feel about people that do that. not pointing fingers at anybody.
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Re: The power of prayer
« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2010, 09:54:18 AM »
Quote from: lightningninja on August 04, 2009, 05:38:40 PM
not because I deserved to win because I'm the best... but because he let me win because I prayed to him. I can honestly say that if my faith had not strengthened, I would NOT have had ANY chance of winning multi... I prayed between rounds, I prayed before every rescue attempt, I prayed whenever it wouldn't stall the game. It helped.

Basically what I'm saying is... prayer really does have power. Not in the "my mom's god" kind of way, not in a "yeah, if god wants to" kind of way, but in a real, my god loves me and wants me to do well kind of way. He is a powerful God... having a person win a redemption tournament is not out of his reach. At all.

Guys... God is moving in Redemption in great ways. I can honestly say that my walk with God was strengthened because of that tournament. Seeing all these Christian people playing a Christian game and being virtuous, it was great. I could, for the first time in my life, feel God's prescence. Guys... pray. That's it.

Just wanted to say that, in LN case, God didn't let him win so LN can feel good about himself.  Read his testimony again.  It is littered with praising God and giving Him the glory.  God does things like that in our lives so we can turn around and give God the glory instead of ourselves.  Also, LN's faith got stronger due to winning Natz.  God's will is always for you to praise Him and grow in Him.  If God knew that LN would take all the glory of winning Natz, then LN would have probably lost.

Keep your faith strong LN.  May you always seek His presence in everything that you do.
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Re: The power of prayer
« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2010, 10:20:16 AM »
Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 28, 2009, 09:15:20 PM
I try not to ask for things from God because His plan is always better than I could have thought to ask for:
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us, to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen.      Ephesians 3:20,21
I was reminded of the old saying:
I prayed for a Cadillac, and God gave me my choice.
But God had in mind, for me, a Rolls Royce.
YMT,
I don't know you (hope to someday as it seems that you give sound advice) but I caution you in avoiding prayer just because his "will" will be done regardless of if we pray or not.  We have power to move the hand of God.  This is evidenced by Moses asking God to relent in his desire to wipe out the Israelites again.  We too have this power, and God does listen to that.  So, just be cautious that you not pray because you feel that you have no say.  You do!
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Re: The power of prayer
« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2010, 12:34:53 PM »
Quote from: Master KChief on January 01, 2010, 03:02:15 AM
it was a generalization. just stating how i feel about people that do that. not pointing fingers at anybody.

Alright.

All this discussion should be done in the spirit of Christian friendship.  I sort of...went outside that.  No hard feelings, MKC?
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Re: The power of prayer
« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2010, 12:45:24 PM »
Quote from: Tracer Burnout on January 05, 2010, 10:20:16 AM
Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 28, 2009, 09:15:20 PM
I try not to ask for things from God because His plan is always better than I could have thought to ask for:
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us, to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen.      Ephesians 3:20,21
I was reminded of the old saying:
I prayed for a Cadillac, and God gave me my choice.
But God had in mind, for me, a Rolls Royce.
YMT,
I don't know you (hope to someday as it seems that you give sound advice) but I caution you in avoiding prayer just because his "will" will be done regardless of if we pray or not.  We have power to move the hand of God.  This is evidenced by Moses asking God to relent in his desire to wipe out the Israelites again.  We too have this power, and God does listen to that.  So, just be cautious that you not pray because you feel that you have no say.  You do!
I think YMT was simply cautioning against trying to bend God's will to our wants.  I can pray for a car over and over, but that doesn't change the fact that God may not want me to have a new car.  Or, instead of praying to God to help X political candidate win, we should ask for His will to prevail, whether what we want is right or wrong.
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Re: The power of prayer
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2010, 01:04:52 PM »
Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on January 05, 2010, 12:45:24 PM
we should ask for His will to prevail, whether what we want is right or wrong.

100% agree.   +1 :amen:

I think HE should be our focus.  Spot on Cameron.  Spot on. 

P.S. Interesting that this subject comes up recently.  My pastor just preached on this exact thing this past Sunday.  Praise God for working in awesome ways.  Also, LN  I'm proud of you for giving the glory to God for all that happened.  True example. 
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Re: The power of prayer
« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2010, 02:24:55 AM »
The way I always look at it is this: God didn't make LN win. Don't praise him for that. Did God bless him for giving Him the Glory and asking to do his best? Yes. Did God magic up some good draws? No. Did God assist him with the presence of mind to make the best of the draws he got? Probably. Did God give LN a decklist that would be perfect against all the people he would face in the tournament? No. Did LN have a well-constructed deck? Yes. Did God assist him with the presence of mind to make the best of his deck? Probably.

What's the upshot of this? That LN's hard work and ingenuity established the groundwork for him winning that tournament. The furthest God was involved was in honoring him by being with him as he played. Does this mean God was not with the other players? No. Does this mean LN gave more honor to God than anyone else? No. Does this mean that LN deserved to win the tournament because of his deck and playing ability? Yes. Could God have taken his win away if he didn't honor Him? Yes.

To make a long story short, God didn't make him win. But he didn't make him lose, either. From my perspective, all the Glory goes to God, not for winning the tournament for his favorite follower, but for creating LN with the mind and gifts to build a deck and make the plays that would win him the tournament.

To make a short story truly short, Glory to God, God doesn't play favorites, good job LN.
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