Author Topic: Will Goliath get shelved for the new season? (Read 7850 times)

Josh · « **on:** August 13, 2011, 10:53:04 AM »

Fact: Red will be a popular offense now.
Fact: Red has 3 legit battlewinners that will usually be CBN against Philistines (who have no CBN banding), all of which can be recurred with A Soldier's Prayer.
Fact: Red can attack with Asahel, choose Goliath to block, Asahel doesn't get kicked out of battle (protected), add Ahimelek to battle, return Goliath, CBN with David in play. If you don't negate Asahel with Golden Calf/Covenant with Death/etc or you don't CM one of those three heroes before the attack, Red will win this battle all day. Oh, and Ahimelek protects WC heroes from capture.

Smokey · « **Reply #1 on:** August 13, 2011, 12:23:50 PM »

Maybe not shelved, but I don't expect Philistines to be competitive.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #2 on:** August 13, 2011, 01:01:02 PM »

Goliath is too good to be shelved, but the amount of play he sees will probably be based on the popularity of red.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #3 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:14:24 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 13, 2011, 01:01:02 PM

Goliath is too good to be shelved, but the amount of play he sees will probably be based on the popularity of red.

Red won't be popular in Type 1, or at least, it shouldn't be.

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #4 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:18:41 PM »

Why shouldn't it be?
It's awesome!

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #5 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:36:52 PM »

What's so special about it in T1 other than CBN against philistines.

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #6 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:38:14 PM »

Ahimilek

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #7 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:39:52 PM »

Quote from: Aelec Enitnel on August 13, 2011, 07:38:14 PM

Ahimilek

Hard to do in Type 1

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #8 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:41:51 PM »

Not with the deck I built.
Among other things there's Ambush, Silver trumpets, and King Amazing. thats at least 4 times right there, plus I could get Ambush back with Soldiers prayer, so that'd be five.

Red · « **Reply #9 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:43:30 PM »

Heck I can do seven at least.

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #10 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:44:26 PM »

You can do TONS more than seven, but those are among the easiest.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #11 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:46:33 PM »

Quote from: Aelec Enitnel on August 13, 2011, 07:41:51 PM

Not with the deck I built.
Among other things there's Ambush, Silver trumpets, and King Amazing. thats at least 4 times right there, plus I could get Ambush back with Soldiers prayer, so that'd be five.

Ambush has to be the first thing you do, so that makes that harder.

Silver Trumpets requires a priest and it ties up your art slot. That makes that harder.

King Amazing requires you to also be playing with Jehoash and have them both. That makes that harder.

Using Ambush again would require you to kill Ahimelek, then recur him to hand, then play Ambush. That's ridiculous to hope for consistantly.

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:49:44 PM »

Well, with my deck it helps that I play Red, Purple, Teal, and Brown... actually, I'm starting to see your point...

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:50:59 PM »

Quote from: Aelec Enitnel on August 13, 2011, 07:49:44 PM

Well, with my deck it helps that I play Red, Purple, Teal, and Brown... actually, I'm starting to see your point...

And the fact that you need to do that to use him effectively translates to him not being that good in T1.

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #14 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:53:33 PM »

Yeah... Darn it! Why can I never win any debates with red brigade,
I lose if people says it's weak, if they say it's OP, and if they say it just won't be all that popular in T1!
Not Fair

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #15 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:55:34 PM »

Ahimelek is great as a sub strat, you just cant build your deck around him and expect to compete top tier.

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #16 on:** August 13, 2011, 07:57:49 PM »

True, I guess I don't build my whole deck around him. Probably around half of it does though... which could bite me in the buckler, I guess...

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #17 on:** August 13, 2011, 09:16:39 PM »

Ahimelek is like TGT was. The offense is already good without it, but add it and it becomes lunacy.

Furthermore, don't Ambush Ahimelek. Ambush one of the 9001 guys that bands to him.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #18 on:** August 13, 2011, 09:22:42 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 13, 2011, 09:16:39 PM

Ahimelek is like TGT was. The offense is already good without it, but add it and it becomes lunacy.

Furthermore, don't Ambush Ahimelek. Ambush one of the 9001 guys that bands to him.

Wut? I assume you mean FBTNB, but still, that's a bit of a stretch.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #19 on:** August 13, 2011, 09:25:37 PM »

No, I mean TGT. In its hayday, a TGT offense would still have been top tier without TGT. Add a single card and it becomes incredibly powerful.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #20 on:** August 13, 2011, 09:27:21 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 13, 2011, 09:25:37 PM

No, I mean TGT. In its hayday, a TGT offense would still have been top tier without TGT. Add a single card and it becomes incredibly powerful.

Right, I was refering to the comments about Ahimelek.

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #21 on:** August 13, 2011, 09:33:52 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 13, 2011, 09:16:39 PM

Furthermore, don't Ambush Ahimelek. Ambush one of the 9001 guys that bands to him.

Good Point, but actually there aren't that many who can band with Ahimilek, mostly 'cuz he's from 1 Samuel;
there's only like seven-ish, I think.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #22 on:** August 13, 2011, 09:38:00 PM »

Samuel, Abishai, Joab?, and Israelite Archer can do it.

Drrek · « **Reply #23 on:** August 13, 2011, 10:31:41 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 13, 2011, 09:38:00 PM

Samuel, Abishai, Joab?, and Israelite Archer can do it.

Don't forget Asahel and Ishmaiah the Gibeonite can band to any O.T. red warrior class, so both of them can band to Ahimelek as well as many other red cards.

Josh · « **Reply #24 on:** August 13, 2011, 11:21:57 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 13, 2011, 09:16:39 PM

Ahimelek is like TGT was. The offense is already good without it, but add it and it becomes lunacy.

Furthermore, don't Ambush Ahimelek. Ambush one of the 9001 guys that bands to him.

And what if they block with a character that negates banding or a FBTN EC? Wouldn't it be better to just ambush the character that will work guaranteed (if they don't band)?

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Author Topic: Will Goliath get shelved for the new season? (Read 7850 times)

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