Author Topic: WHAT CAN STOP GRAPES!!!! (Read 5856 times)

KingLeo · « **on:** September 26, 2012, 09:56:23 PM »

I don't like Grapes played against me (nor does anyone) any ideas to protect yourself from it?

KingLeo

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #1 on:** September 26, 2012, 10:03:52 PM »

Wheel Within a Wheel is really good, and a silver character or two is pretty easy to splash in your deck. For evil there's not much other than protecting your character from discard and not playing an enhancement.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #2 on:** September 26, 2012, 10:47:51 PM »

For evil Wandering Spirit will stop them from using it on demons (or is it only orange demons), well it will put the demon beneath the deck, but since it didn't discard it the shuffle won't happen.

Alternatively on the defense you could use combos that don't let your opponent play dominants (like 2khorses into Forgotten History).

On the offense you can also try pre battle ignore (stopping evil cards from entering battle) as well as Wheel Within a Wheel.

Really my recommendation is just to take the Grapes like man rather than diluting your deck to try and get around it.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #3 on:** September 26, 2012, 10:58:02 PM »

Don't rescue any lost souls, then you're guaranteed a second attack.

KingLeo · « **Reply #4 on:** September 27, 2012, 07:12:37 AM »

Quote from: ChristianSoldier on September 26, 2012, 10:47:51 PM

For evil Wandering Spirit will stop them from using it on demons (or is it only orange demons), well it will put the demon beneath the deck, but since it didn't discard it the shuffle won't happen.

Alternatively on the defense you could use combos that don't let your opponent play dominants (like 2khorses into Forgotten History).

On the offense you can also try pre battle ignore (stopping evil cards from entering battle) as well as Wheel Within a Wheel.

Really my recommendation is just to take the Grapes like man rather than diluting your deck to try and get around it.

Iwas just wondering if there is any protect card for it that i don't know about like JT for SW... Thanks for the help guys

jbeers285 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 27, 2012, 09:48:42 AM »

Isaiah can protect purple king from grapes

slugfencer · « **Reply #6 on:** September 28, 2012, 02:51:51 PM »

Judas Iscariot and Herod's Temple with a NT defense are good ones.

Judas Iscariot (Pi)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Crimson • Ability: 6 / 6 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect this evil character from convert and discard abilities on opponent’s cards while he remains in play. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: NT Male Human, Disciple • Verse: Mark 14:10-11 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Ultra Rare)

Herod's Temple (Di)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: If your N.T. human is discarded by a special ability used by an opponent, you may discard a card of matching brigade from hand and the top X cards of your deck instead. Put Lost Souls in play instead. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Mark 13:1 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #7 on:** September 28, 2012, 03:01:12 PM »

There is nothing that works specifically against Grapes, you just have to use general game mechanics.

Master KChief · « **Reply #8 on:** September 28, 2012, 03:33:52 PM »

Grapes is so tasty. It just won me a rescue attempt against Magician's Snakes. ^_^

megamanlan · « **Reply #9 on:** October 03, 2012, 10:12:28 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on September 28, 2012, 03:33:52 PM

Grapes is so tasty. It just won me a rescue attempt against Magician's Snakes. ^_^

Then that was a misplay. Even if you discard Snakes, MS would only be able to update after Grapes finishes.

As to the question, Protection of Angels and W3 are great. Isaiah is good too, and Evil cards that are protected from Discard or Shuffle. That's most of what you can do.

Red · « **Reply #10 on:** October 03, 2012, 10:16:42 PM »

Actually it's legal. Snakes has a while in battle clause.

megamanlan · « **Reply #11 on:** October 03, 2012, 10:17:52 PM »

Quote from: Red on October 03, 2012, 10:16:42 PM

Actually it's legal. Snakes has a while in battle clause.

That if I am remembering correctly would only check after Grapes completes.

Arrthoa · « **Reply #12 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:10:57 AM »

Hating the Light protects the evil character it is on from being shuffled

Master KChief · « **Reply #13 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:11:57 AM »

Good fine on Hating the Light.

I also would like to hear some confirmation on whether Grapes vs Snakes works.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #14 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:12:06 AM »

Hating the Light would suffer the same drawback as Magician's Snakes. The "while in battle" on both cards means that Grapes could target it for Discard and shuffle unimpeded.

Master KChief · « **Reply #15 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:37:39 AM »

Hating the Light doesn't have while in battle.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #16 on:** October 04, 2012, 01:12:52 AM »

If it hasn't been errata'd to have a colon instead of a period, it should be. I thought it was printed with one.

Regardless, grapes on a snake works.

Master KChief · « **Reply #17 on:** October 04, 2012, 01:29:09 AM »

Colon now means 'while in battle'?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #18 on:** October 04, 2012, 01:58:40 AM »

No, it means "while on (whatever it is that it's placed on)." Given how ignorant (objectively, not meant to insult at all) the Redemption community is on the subject of the only signpost used in Redemption, perhaps future signposting should be more broadly publicized.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #19 on:** October 04, 2012, 02:08:25 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on October 04, 2012, 01:29:09 AM

Colon now means 'while in battle'?

No. It means "while it remains placed." Just as MS is not in battle when Grapes is used on it, HtL is not placed when Grapes is played on it. Thus Grapes can shuffle the ECs in both cases.

No idea why HtL doesn't have a colon if it doesn't (can't access the pics on my phone right now). It should, but even if it didn't, it is similar to older place cards, some of which have an implied instead of explicit "while it remains placed".

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Master KChief · « **Reply #20 on:** October 04, 2012, 02:13:42 AM »

I'm not sure what the actual card depicts, but I was going by the REG and RTS, which has the colon. I was unaware the colon means 'while placed'. Thanks for the clarification Prof.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #21 on:** October 04, 2012, 02:20:30 AM »

My explanation was more correct. It's not just "while placed," but "while placed (on X)." I forget what the pertinent example is, but say a card said, "Place on a Hero: Protect character from Discard," it would not function if he were converted to an EC because it's no longer placed on a Hero.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #22 on:** October 04, 2012, 10:34:42 AM »

There is indeed a colon, granted it is rather close to the "r", making it easy to miss if you just skim over the ability.

The colon is written in the REG as well:

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Hating the Light (Di)

Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: Territory • Special Ability: Place on your human Evil Character: This Evil Character cannot be ignored and is protected from capture, conversion, and shuffle. • Play As: Place on your human Evil Character: This Evil Character cannot be ignored. Protect this Evil Character from capture, conversion, and shuffle. • Identifiers: None • Verse: John 3:20 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

Professoralstad · « **Reply #23 on:** October 04, 2012, 12:15:00 PM »

Good to know. Thanks Lambo.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on October 04, 2012, 02:20:30 AM

My explanation was more correct. It's not just "while placed," but "while placed (on X)." I forget what the pertinent example is, but say a card said, "Place on a Hero: Protect character from Discard," it would not function if he were converted to an EC because it's no longer placed on a Hero.

I think the pertinent example you were thinking of is Destructive Sin on a captured Hero (which no longer applies, since it has since been clarified that any weapons and placed cards on a captured character are discarded when they are captured). I honestly can't remember what the result of that discussion was, but you may be correct. It's something that should be clarified in the next REG update, and since I'm not sure any reason why your explanation shouldn't be correct, that might be the result.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #24 on:** October 04, 2012, 01:11:50 PM »

Lol, got to love keming.

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Author Topic: WHAT CAN STOP GRAPES!!!! (Read 5856 times)

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