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Many combo's have been used over a long period of time. ( ET + AOCP, Jacob + COTH) are some of the older combo's/startegies underestimated or just intimidated by the new strategies/ combo's and people just want to use the new stuff because everyone else is using it?

Attack with TSA is underused.

The new Jacob+CoTH is Jacob+Moses.

 Is red OT banding still good?

Quote from: hi123 on April 07, 2012, 09:52:05 AM

Is red OT banding still good?

When mixed with some FBTN guys, yes.

I thought it was a little better from the new set! So, without some FBTN guys, they arent as good. But what if you mix in The Centurnion at the end of the band chain?

The Centurian probably won't improve it much since the chain probably includes Ishmiah.

You need something like Asahel -> Abaishai -> Ishmiah ->  Israelite Archer -> Benaiah.

That gets you a d3 that negates all non WC ECs, and all ECs with toughness 5 or less, and all non weapon-class enhancements. 

 

I don't think that red is all that underestimated.  It is estimated lowly and with good cause.  Now do take note, I'm talking about Mono-red, I think that Red FTNB is (somewhat) underestimated. 

1. Mono-red cuts itself short.  Red is best with Israelite Archer, Ira, and Benaiah mixed in for FBTNB, if I see a deck without those characters I know it's an offense that I can beat. 

2. Red is too slow.  Red really only has mustering for war and Ishmaiah for drawing, I've seen smart red players use Peter + 4DC and a fast defense to make up for their lack of speed. 

Basically a Mono-Red deck just can't keep up with Sam, or Gardenciples, which restricts it heavily. 

Red/Teal on the other hand is a deck style that is underestimated quite often...   

 

Personally I would put mono-red in the lower B tier.  Red is certainly far better than it has been in the past but it's not as strong as FBTNB and it's not anywhere close to Red-Sam (which is pretty much FBTNB Sam).  It's not that I think that Mono-Red is bad it's just that it's not as good in comparison with meta offenses.   

1. I really need to do my homework on the new cards because i have no clue as to what yall are talking about.
2. I still might just run it the way i made it because i always stray away from the meta and top tier decks which is the reason why i experimented with them anyway.
3. All in all it still comes down to the player. Just like in yugioh people would run thousand dollar decks and i would smash with a $50 deck. If i lose i lose but half the fun in my opinion is making the deck u are using and actually thinking about it. I really hope i go to nationals and see u guys there because i love competition and it sounds like you guys are good.

What about teal? Now that I think bout it, I havent seen a lot of teal lately...Is it just underestimated right now, or just not as powerful. The only Cant be Negated enhancement is Zeal.F.T.L. There is trumpet blast, thats somewhat a battle winner ( but it can be negated) .

Quote from: EYES_on_ZION on April 08, 2012, 12:12:21 AM

3. All in all it still comes down to the player. Just like in yugioh people would run thousand dollar decks and i would smash with a $50 deck. If i lose i lose but half the fun in my opinion is making the deck u are using and actually thinking about it. I really hope i go to nationals and see u guys there because i love competition and it sounds like you guys are good.

If you like building decks for less money, and playing tough competition, I would recommend joining ROOT.  You can play for free with any cards you like, and many of the top players participate there.  We'd love to have you join us there or at Nats

Wow I didn't know that even existed. Thank you. Sorry for my noobish responses but I never really got on here or went to any tournaments outside my state so I didn't know there were so many good players. I've been making new recruits but i need to go up against vets to sharpen my skills. Thank you brother.

Quote from: hi123 on April 11, 2012, 05:38:03 PM

What about teal? Now that I think bout it, I havent seen a lot of teal lately...Is it just underestimated right now, or just not as powerful. The only Cant be Negated enhancement is Zeal.F.T.L. There is trumpet blast, thats somewhat a battle winner ( but it can be negated) .

There is Joshua the High Priest, but he doesn't have much initiative.

Thats true, he + Jordan Interrupted is good.

(I'm not going to bother noting, "in my opinion" every time I make a statement. Assume everything in here is just my opinion.)

I'm sorry but I must disagree. Teal Mono I know is weak and I know most will agree.

I meant mono teal; my apologies, I thought the context would have clarified that.

It has some really nice characters however. Jeremiah who I use as a green Prophet simply for HT but then use Teal Pre-block. Phineas who is just amazing. He can solo an early game rescue by stopping writ, charms, and KoT. They also have Joshua who is decent (not amazing). Then PoC is very nice early game but nerfed a little by the Dom cap.

You just named the best three teal characters: Phinehas, Priests of Christ, and Joshua. Most brigades have more than three solid characters within their brigade, and the characters Teal has aren't even really that good. Phinehas' capture protection is nice, but less people are using Unholy Writ right now (at least from what I've seen), so capture protection isn't quite as strong as it once was. Zeal being CBN on him is his only major draw, but that's still only one enhancement. Priests of Christ has a fun and unique ability, and in the current T1 meta, they're a pretty good choice. I think Priests is one of the strongest heroes in the game right now, if we're only accounting for its ability. Joshua is Joshua of course, not much to say there.

Teal is fast, period. 3 great drawing set asides and with gifts gets you even more and if you are smart you can get rid of cards you don't need. Then you can recur pentecost every turn with jehoida so that's +3 every turn.

Teal is fast, but it's not that fast, which is what I said. Any deck is fast if you rely on Gifts to do a lot of your drawing, and the only advantage Teal has over Gardensciples or certain Sam decks regarding set-aside enhancements is Feast of Trumpets with Gifts. If you're using Jehoida to rescue every turn for a d3, you're probably not making many successful rescue attempts. Sacrificing rescues for a d3 isn't really a good strategy.

I think that you overestimate Sam decks by quite a bit also.

Sam decks are faster than every other deck out there (aside from first turn Gates of Hell and maybe a crazy combo or two), by a relatively large margin. My own Sam deck currently utilizes two set-aside enhancements (Pentecost and Mustering for War - I did use First Fruits for a while but with the rule changes, I figured I could drop some of the speed), one of which is recurrable once. If I chose to put First Fruits back into my deck, I would have a theoretical +13 with just my set-aside enhancements, and that's without making a rescue with only the intent of recurring one of those set-asides. Teal only manages a +11, and that's with Gifts on Feast of Trumpets. When you throw in the CBN +2 character who exchanges for the other CBN +2 character (who can use that ability up to five times [more if you use a clever Grapes]), who bands to a character who bands to another +3 character, the speed really starts to add up. Mono teal is certainly fast, but virtually every meta deck out there right now is faster (note: I consider Disciples, Sam, Gardensciples, Water Garden, and Genesis to be meta decks). On the other side of it, a well-crafted Sam deck also has as much raw power as any other theme out there. Two gold battlewinners, one of which is CBN, and the other is CBN if played on a hero that can be protected from everything, or if played on the lynchpin of a Sam deck. A red battlewinner that's CBN if used on pretty much any decent red hero. Foreign Sword (I've gone on and on about Foreign Sword). Not to mention how easily implemented FBTNB is into virtually any Sam deck with an emphasis on red.

My point is that I don't think I overestimate Samuel decks because I've done nothing but see Samuel decks win over and over again.