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Some North East players came up with the combo: Gates + Wandering Spirit + Trembling Demon + Crown of Thorns.

Just a thought...
If this combo were to ever become viable, I would guess Rob chooses to simply put a maximum deck size (or single card limit like T2) on T1 instead of banning a card.

Exactly.  I would anticipate either a cap on deck size, or a cap on the number of copies allowed in a deck (as already exists with non-SA cards), which would effectively limit the size of your deck by default.

I have made this deck on RTS

Lol, that must have taken hours!

I played a game against prof underwood and found out that it is REALLY good at stalling a game.  with 19 3 liner LS's and 19 Shufflers.  It is going to be 20 turns before they even get a LS 

Matt is right, that this deck doesn't work as it should.  I practically drew out a 70 card deck before the combo started working.

He is also correct that it is REALLY good at stalling.  In our game we figured out that it would be 20 turns (of half 3-liners) for every 1 shuffler taken.  Since I needed 3 LSs to win, that would've been 60 turns.  And that was on top of another 20 turns of stalling that already happened due to me needing to get a hero out of my discard pile.  And on top of another 20 turns to draw out my 70 card deck.  I decided that it wasn't worth playing out 100 turns

Im assuming you didnt use the lost soul that removes lost souls from sites? The whole idea is to discard most of your deck and get both the lost soul that discards the top and get the lost soul that removes souls from sites, then you just remove most of your deck and you effectively only need 1 site.

That's only true when you receive them in alternating order (discard, evict, discard, evict,...). You lose effectiveness every time two of the same appear next to each other with only one site.

Additionally, Mark noted that in his game he nearly drew his entire deck by the time the combo started, meaning that discarding 50 cards from his deck wouldn't do anything.

Yes...this combo is  not very tournament viable due to time constraints.  In fact, any combo deck that is at least 800 cards will probably time out most games.

In fact, any combo deck that is at least 800 cards will probably time out most games.

It might take the whole time limit just to shuffle the deck

Exactly.  If this combo is ever viable, then all you have to do is include Mayhem and ANB and your guaranteed at least a timeout loss.

Im assuming you didnt use the lost soul that removes lost souls from sites? The whole idea is to discard most of your deck and get both the lost soul that discards the top and get the lost soul that removes souls from sites, then you just remove most of your deck and you effectively only need 1 site.

btw is there anyway you can send me the deck file? I would love to test it out

I posted it in deck strategies but its kind of moot now that Rob put a size limit on type 1 and 2.

The problem is that you have to get a Gates of hell and at least one site ( prefferably multiple sites) early in the game.  My deck had like 140 sites and 19 copies of Gates of hell anfd 19 copies of Zaccheus but I didnt get gates until it was 3/4 through the game.  He already had all the pieces he needed and I played to stall until I could figure out how to kill his Heros for good.


needless to say it is not an unstoppable combo, the size of the deck itself is a pretty sizable force to overcome.  but it did have a lot of good wualities

aside from the sheer impossibility of trying to build it.

another cool combo with gates is if you have False Priests out, you can discard your false peace and play them

so your combo also requires Lost Souls.

And for you to get Gates immediately in a 2,500 card deck.

And 50 Sites.

And at least one Hero.

And for your opponent not to wipe out your combo.

And for none of your other essential cards to be discarded when you use High Places.

lol.
Anyway this combo is a joke. Dominants, drawing your deck. If you can make a smaller version of this deck that discards a consistent twenty cards every game and have your offense/defense discard cards then you have a fun competetive deck. But this "thing" is neither.