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... I'm having trouble understanding why that's better than putting it up as an Artifact and using Face of Death to tag ALL the Heroes.  It certainly doesn't explain why you favor the "permanent" aspect of Enhancement use.

Yes, but if you're playing it in the same battle, you get that effect whether the decrease is permanent or temporary.  The way you thought it worked an hour ago, the combo worked exactly the same way.

For my part, I'm not certain I would burn a DoN on this unless I was certain this was the best Art you had in your pile, which is a tall order given Grail, Ark, Writ, 30 Pieces, Altar, Chariot and a dozen others.

I'm having an even harder time believing how many of those times you could have played a PwD/FoD combo like you're talking about now, without worrying about whether it was permanent since you're playing one right behind the other anyway.

But it kills the same Heroes either way.  Yes you have the option to use it later, but only on those select Heroes.  Either way, I would be careful in the future using the term "quickly followed by" in relation to two cards you don't actually intend to play back to back.

But also, by DoNning your PwD, they are now free to put down their 1/1 init Hero or whatever, which would have been insta-killed by a PwD Art.  By playing it as an Enhancement, you eliminate that problem, and they can put down all the Heroes they want after the fact.  Basically, you solved their problem and saved them a DoN.

All I was saying is that it has its drawbacks as well as its benefits.  It's not like Enhancement play opens up this whole new world of possibilities that makes the card astoundingly good.  Yes, it's more powerful as a permanent decrease than just till end of phase, but my only point is that the Art play has benefits that you sacrifice in order to get the gains of the Enhancement play.

No but you can kill it with a lot of cards from the new set, or heal your Heroes with those worthless angels Guardian Angel and Attending Angel,

I didn't see where anyone called Guardian Angel or Attending Angel worthless. Guardian Angel is the best Site Access Angel Silver has now. And any hero with a generalized search ability (like Attending Angel) is good in my book. I use both in my Job deck.

And I know that today is "bash any card that might work in a given situation day" but I don't think giving a Hero the permanent ability to pick apart a demon defense

I actually considered using Ordained in a Disciples/NT prophets Hybrid (with Simeon and Thaddeus, the two best new heroes in the set). But demon decks have GoH anyway, so I don't see it being used to pick any defense apart. I suppose if you have Wash Basin and they wait to use GoH/or don't have it by then...Hmm...

The entire original point of this discussion was that the angels across the last few sets were so un-useful that silver is no longer viable as a standalone brigade.  I happen to think all of the angels are at least decent and the RoA angels are excellent, so for you to tell me you find them useful is just preaching to the choir.

I would like to see Silver become stronger since it's always been my favorite brigade (AW came out a few weeks before I started playing). I think it only needs a few cards to become a standalone brigade, but right now it just seems like you have limited options using it as a main offense in a primarily defensive deck.

The new Silver cards aren't bad exactly (ok, yeah, Strengthening Angel is bad), they're just a little lacklustre compared to what a lot of the other Brigades got. Compare Guardian Angel (useless for everything but Site Access unless Jacob or Gathering is involved) to Watchful Servant, or Thaddeus, or Simeon. No contest.

Kind of like Buster Douglas trying to take on Mike Tyson. I mean...really.... who's he kidding?

we need another BBN silver card and were back in business.

I'm assuming BBN means "Battle By Numbers"?

Quote from: Master_Chi on September 08, 2010, 10:18:27 AM

Quote from: The M on September 06, 2010, 05:34:51 PM

we need another BBN silver card and were back in business.

I'm assuming BBN means "Battle By Numbers"?

True 'nuff.

We need more FBTN cards PERIOD. FBTN is NOT a reliable strategy right now.

Quote from: The M on September 10, 2010, 06:23:11 PM

Quote from: Master_Chi on September 08, 2010, 10:18:27 AM

Quote from: The M on September 06, 2010, 05:34:51 PM

we need another BBN silver card and were back in business.

I'm assuming BBN means "Battle By Numbers"?

True 'nuff.

We need more FBTN cards PERIOD. FBTN is NOT a reliable strategy right now.

I never thought I'd live to see the day. 

That someone would think FBTN isn't reliable. Wasn't too long ago that if you weren't playing FBTN you weren't winning.