Author Topic: Suicidal Swine Stampede (Di) + Cov. with Eden (Read 5001 times)

RTSmaniac · « **on:** August 12, 2010, 12:29:55 PM »

Suicidal Swine Stampede (Di)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Orange • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Remove all Evil Characters in battle from the game to shuffle all Lost Souls in your territory into owners' deck. • Play As: Remove all Evil Characters in battle from the game to return all Lost Souls in your territory into owners' deck. • Identifiers: NT, Connected with Demons • Verse: Luke 8:33 •

Covenant of Eden (Pa)
Type: Covenant • Brigade: Silver • Ability: 3 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Use as an enhancement or an Artifact. No character may be removed from the game. Instead discard the character targeted for removal. • Play As: Use as an enhancement or an Artifact. If a character is being removed from the game, discard that character instead.

TimMierz · « **Reply #1 on:** August 12, 2010, 12:36:39 PM »

1) That's still a silly card name.

2) SSS already has a Play As? Has it even been officially released?

3) So you're turning SSS into Death of Unrighteous... okay, so?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #2 on:** August 12, 2010, 01:46:17 PM »

Death of Unrighteous can't be infinitely recurred by a low-numbers block that can also be infinitely recurred.

Also, the double-instead chain would be the first of it's kind (Eden "insteads" your Demons to Discard, then Wandering Spirit "insteads" them to the bottom of your deck).

Red · « **Reply #3 on:** August 12, 2010, 01:47:57 PM »

That's a silly card name. And where was Clift in playtesting?

sk · « **Reply #4 on:** August 12, 2010, 01:49:58 PM »

But, since the demon wasn't removed, does the shuffle still happen?

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #5 on:** August 12, 2010, 02:37:39 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 12, 2010, 01:46:17 PM

Death of Unrighteous can't be infinitely recurred

How does SSS get infinitely recurred?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2010, 03:14:51 PM »

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #7 on:** August 12, 2010, 03:32:58 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 12, 2010, 03:14:51 PM

DBI.

OK, so you're talking 2 turn recursion. Turn 1 (DBI puts it back on the bottom). Turn 2 (Evil Spawn gets it back in hand or battle).

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #8 on:** August 12, 2010, 04:13:14 PM »

Use Gathering of Demons and it's every turn.

Master KChief · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2010, 04:19:26 PM »

arent both dbi and evil spawn orange?

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #10 on:** August 12, 2010, 04:19:54 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 12, 2010, 04:13:14 PM

Use Gathering of Demons and it's every turn.

Yeah, but now you're talking about about needing to add a grey EC (to play Gathering of Demons), needing some set up time (for that set aside to complete), and still you could only do it once, because the demon would lose that ability when they were sent to the bottom of the draw pile and reset (before being brought back out with GoH).

I'm not even saying that this whole idea would work to begin with. It is possible that it would be ruled that if your demon isn't actually removed (paying the cost) then you don't get to shuffle your LSs away (getting the benefit). I'm just saying that even if it did get ruled to work, I'm not overwhelmed by this combo.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #11 on:** August 12, 2010, 04:22:24 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on August 12, 2010, 04:19:26 PM

arent both dbi and evil spawn orange?

Yes, but crimson Fallen Angel is not.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #12 on:** August 12, 2010, 09:50:17 PM »

doesnt work- not paying the cost

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #13 on:** August 12, 2010, 10:58:26 PM »

Who ruled that? You are paying the cost, but then the cost is insteaded to be a discard cost.

Master KChief · « **Reply #14 on:** August 12, 2010, 11:11:21 PM »

depends on how you look at it. if every 'remove from the game' ability is insteaded to 'discard', then rfg's are effectively nullified, meaning there is no way possible to pay a cost of rfg. coe only insteads rfg; it doesnt instead the actual cost.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #15 on:** August 13, 2010, 12:18:32 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on August 12, 2010, 11:11:21 PM

depends on how you look at it. if every 'remove from the game' ability is insteaded to 'discard', then rfg's are effectively nullified, meaning there is no way possible to pay a cost of rfg. coe only insteads rfg; it doesnt instead the actual cost.

If not, I am running COE in every deck because it negates RFG

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #16 on:** August 13, 2010, 03:03:07 AM »

News Flash: SirNobody says I Am Holy and Chamber doesn't work anymore.

Red · « **Reply #17 on:** August 13, 2010, 09:18:12 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 13, 2010, 03:03:07 AM

News Flash: SirNobody says I Am Holy and Chamber doesn't work anymore.

I don't trust half of his ruleings.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #18 on:** August 13, 2010, 06:40:09 PM »

Quote from: RED on August 13, 2010, 09:18:12 AM

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 13, 2010, 03:03:07 AM
News Flash: SirNobody says I Am Holy and Chamber doesn't work anymore.
I don't trust half of his ruleings.

Probably because you trust all of Pol's rulings

*Note: this is not a slight at Pol

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Author Topic: Suicidal Swine Stampede (Di) + Cov. with Eden (Read 5001 times)

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