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Hey guys, I'm here to tell you about an awesome new project Alex Olijar and I are starting called Redemption MetaGaming. This is a YouTube channel dedicated to helping you with several things:

• Deck strategies, complete lists, and expert deck discussion.
• Reviewing new sets and predicting the future meta.
• Discussing Redemption news, new rulings, and thoughts on where the game should go.

We also hope to bring you tournament coverage, complete with a video stream, interviews of top competitors, and commentary.

We will be doing games on RTS with commentary so you can see which decks are most successful, as well as how to counter them. To start off we're going to be playing some common and powerful decks to introduce people to the meta.  If you are unfamiliar with any of the cards used, we will be posting the decklists in this thread and then you can look up the card on the Redemption Visualizer.  We have already recorded a game to give you an idea of what to expect. We apologize that the RTS quality is questionable at best. If you can't tell what a card is on the video, feel free to ask.

Redemption CCG: Westy (TGT) versus Olijar (Genesis)

If you have any suggestions for content you would like to see, please e-mail us at redemptionmetagaming@gmail.com. This thread will be used for Redemption MetaGaming updates, information, and discussion.

I am also playing a pretty standard list, but the defense has a lot of nice tricks. It focuses on hiding lost souls through shuffling them back with Death of Unrighteous and Suicidal Swine Stampede, as well as putting them to the bottom with Hormah and even Susanna. The offense is focused on He is Risen! and The Garden Tomb, with an infinite loop of recursion of He is Risen! and a lot of ways to clear the territory, such as Authority of Christ, He is Risen!, and Holy Grail. I originally had Meeting the Messiah in here, but had to drop it due to space issues. I left Passover Hymn in to take care of nasty things like Destructive Sin and Image of Jealousy, which really mess with The Garden Tomb.

Cards in deck: 52
Lost Souls: 8
Lost Soul (*/4)
Lost Soul (can't be prevented)
Lost Soul (Female Only)
Lost Soul (hopper)
Lost Soul (N.T. only)
Lost Soul (revealer)
Lost Soul (Wanderer)
Lost Souls (2-line)

Lamb Dominants: 5
Angel of the Lord
Grapes of Wrath
Guardian Of Your Souls
New Jerusalem
Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 2
Burial
Mayhem

Fortresses: 2
Herod's Temple
The Garden Tomb

Blue Sites: 1
Hormah

Artifacts: 5
Four-Drachma Coin
Holy Grail
Lampstand of the Sanctuary
Magic Charms
Samaritan Water Jar

White Covenant Cards: 1
Covenant With Death (Brown/Pale Green)

Multi-Color Heroes: 1
Faithful Servant

Silver Heroes: 1
Gabriel

White Heroes: 5
Joanna
Lydia
Mary the Mother of James
Salome
Susanna

Red Heroes: 1
Peter

Gold Heroes: 2
The Thankful Leper
The Woman at the Well

Purple Heroes: 2
John
Lois

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 3
First Fruits
Passover Hymn (Purple/White)
Pentecost

White Hero Enhancements: 4
Consider the Lilies
'He Is Risen'
Magnificat
Words of Encouragement

Purple Hero Enhancements: 1
Authority of Christ

Pale Green Evil Characters: 2
Balaam
User of Curious Arts

Multi-Color Evil Characters: 1
Damsel with a Spirit of Divination

Orange Evil Characters: 1
Legion

Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 2
Destructive Sin (Orange)
Suicidal Swine Stampede (Orange)

Pale Green Evil Enhancements: 1
Death of Unrighteous

Gray Evil Enhancements: 1
Balaam's Disobedience

What application did you use for recording?

Thank you guys for the content.

This sounds like a great idea. Thanks guys for doing this.

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1. Jacob's Dream allows me to steal an opposing Nazareth and shut it off

How do you do that? I thought the rule about sites' abilities not working in battle changed?

Kirk

Jacob's Dream   2/2   Genesis 28:13   Blue   HE   Take one Lost Soul site from an opponent and add it to your territory.  If site held a Lost Soul, Lost Soul returns to general Land of Bondage.  Discard any other cards in that site.

So yeah, you can move the protection from shuffle to yourself and away from your opponent, but how are you "turning it off" then?

It'd probably be a bit easier to see if you didn't record your entire stream - just the play area and hand. You could also have whoever isn't recording record their hand so the viewers can see that too.

Otherwise, neato.

Quote from: browarod on April 21, 2013, 11:15:16 AM

I'm actually really intrigued by the version of the Genesis deck you used. I think I'm gonna give that a try.

Also, I really like this idea for a Youtube channel. Kudos to you guys.

Thanks. It's kinda of a neat little toolbox.

Quote from: Redoubter on April 21, 2013, 11:52:04 AM

Quote from: Captain Kirk on April 21, 2013, 07:31:21 AM

This sounds like a great idea. Thanks guys for doing this.

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1. Jacob's Dream allows me to steal an opposing Nazareth and shut it off

How do you do that? I thought the rule about sites' abilities not working in battle changed?

Kirk

Jacob's Dream   2/2   Genesis 28:13   Blue   HE   Take one Lost Soul site from an opponent and add it to your territory.  If site held a Lost Soul, Lost Soul returns to general Land of Bondage.  Discard any other cards in that site.

So yeah, you can move the protection from shuffle to yourself and away from your opponent, but how are you "turning it off" then?

I was under the impression that ruled hadn't changed and then I could push it into battle to negate the ability for the phase. I remember that discussion, but maybe I just remember the conclusion wrong.

No, this got changed at natz two years ago.  Sites are active all the time, regardless of being in battle.

Two years ago? So much for being update on rulings.

Well, then I guess I should drop Jacob's Dream. I'd probably add some other site counter I guess, because Nazareth really hurts this deck a lot.

So...a lost soul doesn't have to be in the site for the site to be active?

Quote from: Platinum_Angel on April 21, 2013, 02:37:14 PM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 21, 2013, 02:20:02 PM

Two years ago? So much for being update on rulings.

Well, then I guess I should drop Jacob's Dream. I'd probably add some other site counter I guess, because Nazareth really hurts this deck a lot.

So...a lost soul doesn't have to be in the site for the site to be active?

Lost souls have never needed to be in sites activate them as far as I am aware, but until recently, no special ability has done anything that you would want it to be empty for (such as Herod's Dungeon). You used to be able to shut off single color site abilities by using them in battle as an access site, but that's now be changed to say site abilities are always active.

Actually that only changed at Disciples.

Curiosity question:
    Who is your target audience?   Because I noticed that you guys used a lot of terms that may not be familiar to beginners ("TGT", "Aggro")

General comment:
    Well done and great idea.  Also, the commentary synced well with the game.

Bonus info:
    I learned a little bit about RTS.  I didn't know you could hover cards over their destinations to get them to go there.  I just right-clicked everything.  It looks like that would speed the game up.  I'm such a computer noob.

Also He is Risen does NOT go to the set-aside area per this quote. Change away from how it always was.

Hopefully I'll clear up the confusion as opposed to muddying the waters.

Jordan's understanding was also mine - set aside enhancements go to the set aside area until the set aside character(s) are returned, then the enhancement is discarded. That used to be the rule and it's still the way I play still it.

I was also a little confused how that was missing from the REG entry for Set Aside. I looked back and some discussions and found that the rule was removed/changed with the release of the online REG 2.0 a couple years ago. It was removed based on the fact that so many other card types now set other cards aside and we don't want Haman, the Shame Lost Soul, etc going to the set aside area with the cards they target.

So, the current rule is that set aside enhancements (or cards of any type) do not follow the card(s) they set aside to the set aside area. If any elders wish to change that I support reviving the private discussion found here.

Kirk

Here's a quick (36 min) intro to who we are, why we are doing this, and why you should care!

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This video comes complete with digs at John Earley, so you can't miss it! 

 I'm tempted to abuse my moderator powers and delete that comment so other people waste 36 mins of their lives

I'd like to think we were somewhat entertaining along the way, although I realize we also were laughing at a lot of "in" jokes in the community/our freindship (John Earley is bad, Red's and Cov with Salt [i still don't believe in this], worshiping at Gabe's feet, etc). I'll try to cut back on those in future for those who aren't aware of them. Except ones about John Earley, because they are mostly true 

There was at least one valuable piece of information in there.

There's just so much good information to choose from I couldn't decide which piece you meant!