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Is there a way to protect a human hero from being shuffled by grapes? I've looked around and I can't find much. :/

I have a good reason..

Yeah, if you could protect from shuffle, then ANB would have some major issues...  Would be fun to try and pull off (If someone hasn't tried already).

-C_S

Yeah, if you could protect from shuffle, then ANB would have some major issues...  Would be fun to try and pull off

-C_S

^^^^^^This man knows what he is talking about

The deck is not being targeted by Grapes--the cards in battle are. When the Hero is targeted for shuffle, the deck gets shuffled by game rule, not by special ability.

Really? Even though grapes is my opponent's card, and is directly being affected by it? Don't shuffle abilities specifically target a deck as well?

In some cases yes (i.e. when a card says 'Shuffle draw pile'), but other times the deck is shuffled by game rule.

Are there any decks that protect my game rules from cards?

Really? I feel like I must disagree, the special ability on grapes says to shuffle into deck. I sort of figured that counted as it being targeted..

Type: Lamb • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard an evil card in battle to shuffle all remaining characters in battle into owners’ decks. If the current rescuer doesn't have the most Redeemed Souls, he may begin a new battle.

Even if that's not the case, if my deck is protected from your cards,  and your card says "put this card in opponent's deck" , wouldn't my deck be protected from YOUR abilities adding cards to my deck? Or does it specifically have to target the deck, even though the deck is being directly affected?

Are there any evil characters that are protected from shuffle?  If so... ^_^ BOOYAH!!

-C_S

Are there any evil characters that are protected from shuffle?  If so... ^_^ BOOYAH!!

Technically no, however any EC that is immune to the hero doing the shuffling would not be shuffled. For example, I was playing a draft and had emperor nero in battle, opponent played new beginning which didn't shuffle nero due to immunity. Other than that I'm pretty sure none are protected from it specifically.

Also, I think I'm still confused on how protect works in this scenario. Could someone explain to me why shuffling my deck with grapes counts as a "game rule" rather than my deck being shuffled by grapes?

I can't think of a reason the deck would need to be protected from shuffle. Is there a card that says to shuffle the deck and isn't just a clarifier?

It's really not so much about the shuffle, it was the fact that even though it's an indirect effect, I was under the impression that it counted as being done by the opponent's card, which would mean that Simon would protect from it. I'm pretty sure I understand it now though, thanks for the clarification guys. :O

Quote from: COUNTER_SNIPER on January 26, 2011, 12:01:00 AM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 25, 2011, 05:31:41 PM

Not in battle.

There must be a way... Some day, it will just come to me.

-C_S

I searched every card for a guy who protected themselves from shuffle. The only solution I could find was to be immune to yourself, but that wouldn't help in the event of grapes. And it doesn't even work anymore.

I'm thinking bigger! Or am I thinking Arby's? No, definitely thinking ANB scale...  Yup, you can't be immune/ignore yourself.  And yeah, I'm gonna drop this now.

-C_S