Author Topic: Primary Objective (Read 7502 times)

Aelec Enitnel · « **on:** May 06, 2011, 10:49:32 PM »

What are the best ways to utilize Primary Objective

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #1 on:** May 06, 2011, 10:53:38 PM »

Place it and force your opponent to use it.

It's really a pretty useless card, basically you're discarding your entire hand for a soul, and then they get 2-3 free souls in a row because you have no cards...

CJSports · « **Reply #2 on:** May 06, 2011, 11:21:18 PM »

4-4 and you have defense in your territory, pre-block cheribum to ET, either he lets you win or discards his hand.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #3 on:** May 06, 2011, 11:24:47 PM »

Quote from: CJSports on May 06, 2011, 11:21:18 PM

4-4 and you have defense in your territory, pre-block cheribum to ET, either he lets you win or discards his hand.

Unless of course they discard their hand and block 12FG/Goliath/KoT, giving them a huge advantage over you.

It is possible to get 7 souls in one turn in T2, and 5 in T1. I won't say anything more. Figuring it out is so much more fun.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #4 on:** May 06, 2011, 11:26:06 PM »

He discards, then gets the win on his turn since he gets to draw, chances are he'll get something that can kill an EC since I have no hand.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #5 on:** May 06, 2011, 11:55:25 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on May 06, 2011, 11:24:47 PM

Quote from: CJSports on May 06, 2011, 11:21:18 PM
4-4 and you have defense in your territory, pre-block cheribum to ET, either he lets you win or discards his hand.
Unless of course they discard their hand and block 12FG/Goliath/KoT, giving them a huge advantage over you.

It is possible to get 7 souls in one turn in T2, and 5 in T1. I won't say anything more. Figuring it out is so much more fun.

I agree. Thanks for explaining Matt's combo in depth to me at IA State, bud!

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #6 on:** May 07, 2011, 12:23:36 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on May 06, 2011, 11:24:47 PM

Quote from: CJSports on May 06, 2011, 11:21:18 PM
4-4 and you have defense in your territory, pre-block cheribum to ET, either he lets you win or discards his hand.
Unless of course they discard their hand and block 12FG/Goliath/KoT, giving them a huge advantage over you.

It is possible to get 7 souls in one turn in T2, and 5 in T1. I won't say anything more. Figuring it out is so much more fun.

yay... lots and lots of fun.

galadgawyn · « **Reply #7 on:** May 07, 2011, 12:48:30 AM »

getting the 7 lost souls in one turn was always a difficult combo but for clarification I don't think that is possible any more. They can discard 0 cards from hand instead of surrendering the soul so there is no way to force getting multiple souls and they now have the rule that you can only make 1 successful rescue attempt per turn. There is no way around that.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #8 on:** May 07, 2011, 01:02:02 AM »

It is possible. Just far more difficult than it used to be...

galadgawyn · « **Reply #9 on:** May 07, 2011, 02:09:07 AM »

No, I don't think it is. I would have to see some proof to the contrary.

Not counting half rescued 2 liners (since you have to make successful rescues on previous turns for those), the only cards in the game that let you get more than 1 soul in a turn are SoG, NJ, and Primary Objective. The dominants are obvious and limited so how are you going to get past 3 in one turn? I'm also discounting stealing their doms since it is very unlikely and still won't get past 5 unless it is multiplayer where it is even more unlikely.

So that leaves me with PO which was the previous combo and what I'm assuming you are referring to. But if you use that then I just discard my hand and don't give up a soul and do that every time you use the card. The only thing I can see here is if the opponent cooperates and chooses to give you the soul but if you are counting on the opponent to actively help you do combos and win the game then I think all kinds of combos would work real well: wait until I get Nazareth and then play ANB, no need for placers!

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #10 on:** May 07, 2011, 02:55:37 AM »

It's possible if the opponent doesn't know the rules/isn't very intelligent in recognizing the implications fo the rules (which are quite plain: they nerfed it).

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #11 on:** May 08, 2011, 12:27:17 AM »

It is possible, if your opponent's hand is protected from your cards they can't discard their hand.

Ironica · « **Reply #12 on:** May 08, 2011, 03:05:41 AM »

The five LS combo is like a two move checkmate in chess, possible but extremely unlikely

Professoralstad · « **Reply #13 on:** May 08, 2011, 05:42:18 PM »

You can't make an additional RA on the same turn as you've made a successful RA. Primary Objective leads to a successful RA if the opponent gives up the LS. So even if you had a way to draw enough cards to make another RA and play another PO, it's currently illegal. At least that's how I understand it...

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #14 on:** May 08, 2011, 06:05:00 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on May 08, 2011, 05:42:18 PM

You can't make an additional RA on the same turn as you've made a successful RA. Primary Objective leads to a successful RA if the opponent gives up the LS. So even if you had a way to draw enough cards to make another RA and play another PO, it's currently illegal. At least that's how I understand it...

How does PO make it a successful RA if the opponent gives it up?

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #15 on:** May 08, 2011, 06:08:27 PM »

My opponent didn't give it up, I (as in holder) rescued it.

If I make a RA with a hero and play SOG, is that RA successful?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #16 on:** May 08, 2011, 06:11:38 PM »

No, because SoG doesn't depend on you making an RA.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #17 on:** May 08, 2011, 06:14:25 PM »

When I think of a successful RA, I think a rescue by game rule. PO, like SoG, rescues the soul, it's not determined by game rule.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #18 on:** May 08, 2011, 07:31:13 PM »

I agree. If SoG does not count as a successful RA, neither should PO, especially since it even specifies that the RA fails.

browarod · « **Reply #19 on:** May 08, 2011, 09:04:55 PM »

SoG is a dominant, you can't really compare it to an enhancement like that.

My understanding of the ruling is that you can only rescue 1 LS per turn from battle (i.e.: characters/enhancements). The fact that PO "fails" the rescue attempt doesn't seem to matter. If I make an RA and lose access, I lost the RA. If I play something to return my access, and win a Soul, it isn't affected by the fact that I lost an RA this battle/turn, and it doesn't mean I can rescue anymore during that battle (with characters/ enhancements).

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #20 on:** May 08, 2011, 09:15:11 PM »

I agree with Pol on this one, PO is worded the same as SoG (with a few conditions).

The fact that one is an enhancement and one is a dominant should in no way effect how the special ability works (except in the ways specified to how they differ such as dominants CBN by game rule and such) The fact that one must be used during a rescue attempt and one isn't limited shouldn't have a bearing on how the rules affect them, the need for a rescue is just a condition for the special ability to take place, much like NJ condition of being activated simultaneously with SoG.

browarod · « **Reply #21 on:** May 08, 2011, 09:24:03 PM »

So if my enhancement doesn't specify "if played during battle", I can play it anytime, right? If card type has no bearing on the ability, then I should be able to do that.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #22 on:** May 08, 2011, 10:14:53 PM »

Quote from: browarod on May 08, 2011, 09:24:03 PM

So if my enhancement doesn't specify "if played during battle", I can play it anytime, right? If card type has no bearing on the ability, then I should be able to do that.

I did say the special ability, I didn't say you could play it at any time, Christian Martyr works the same way as any enhancement that says "discard any hero in play" except for the ways dominants are defined to work differently than enhancements, such as you can play a dominant outside of battle and its CBN, but how the ability is carried out is the same, why should Primary Objective and SoG work differently (except the ways that are described in their wording (Primary Objective has a few more conditions) and how the types are defined to work.

browarod · « **Reply #23 on:** May 08, 2011, 10:21:07 PM »

Quote from: ChristianSoldier on May 08, 2011, 10:14:53 PM

and how the types are defined to work.

That's exactly my point. Enhancements work differently than dominants. They require a battle (except for TC, heal, and set aside enhancements) and affect that battle (or cards outside of battle as specifically mentioned). There is nothing to suggest that PO is anything but an enhancement that makes you win the rescue attempt and then continues the battle as a battle challenge.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #24 on:** May 08, 2011, 11:07:54 PM »

I think your understanding of the rule is wrong. The rule is you can only make one successful rescue attempt per turn, and your opponent must have another turn before you have another rescue attempt. A successful rescue attempt should be defined as getting a soul because of game rule. In this case, The Long Day wouldn't work, but if you somehow found a way to play Primary Objective, draw a bunch of cards, play another PO, etc. then it should work, IMO.

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