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Iron Pan
« on: November 13, 2015, 06:23:00 PM »
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Babylonians are one of my favorite defenses to use (Great job Josh on your LOR article on King Neb!), and I currently have them in my type 2 deck, but I'm not using Iron Pan and am wondering if I should. It has bad synergy with Belshazzar's Banquet and Swift Horses, but it is such a powerful card that I feel like I should really try to take advantage of it if I'm using Babylonians…Do you guys have any advice on using this card, and especially in T2?

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Re: Iron Pan
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2015, 07:25:35 PM »
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personally i don't like negating myself so much that it hurts. if you can incorporate iron pan in to your deck (to the point where you still feel it has the power) then yes it is totally worth it because it can do so much especially with the god of this world as Josh has pointed out to negate cbn drawing. i feel that is the most powerful combo with the card because you can literally negate their mayhem, auto, anything.. it is so powerful to completely turn off their drawing.

if you are willing to run 3 or 4 and have a solid demon def that couples with babs (which is obviously not hard to do considering winged leopard and red dragon are already great with babs) i would say it is a great addition to a t2 deck. this is where you could run sss (which is amazing because pan actually negates thorns lost soul) rather than bels banq for example and have cards that work through iron pan intentionally so you can have it up all game. on top of that as long as you have a couple Ezekiel's (which who doesn't with babs?) i think it's a no brainer and a much better t2 card than t1 since you can have multiple copies assuming they are going to quickly get rid of the first one especially if the god of this world is out locking up their draw.
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Re: Iron Pan
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2015, 09:51:38 PM »
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Thanks, that's very helpful and I will think more about what you suggested! Right now my go-to block is Nebuchadnezzar to Belshazzar's Banquet, and so if I take out Banquet then Neb loses a lot of potency because there aren't any CBI/CBN OT crimson battlewinners besides Scattered that he can grab. Maybe I could just try to still run BB with Iron Pan and just be careful  :)
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Re: Iron Pan
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2015, 10:22:10 PM »
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especially with the god of this world as Josh has pointed out to negate cbn drawing. i feel that is the most powerful combo with the card because you can literally negate their mayhem, auto, anything.. it is so powerful to completely turn off their drawing.

I'm pretty sure that was one of the rulings that was changed after Nats.  If the new effect is prevented, then the instead doesn't happen.
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Re: Iron Pan
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2015, 09:26:01 PM »
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Quote from: jesse on November 13, 2015, 09:51:38 PM
Thanks, that's very helpful and I will think more about what you suggested! Right now my go-to block is Nebuchadnezzar to Belshazzar's Banquet, and so if I take out Banquet then Neb loses a lot of potency because there aren't any CBI/CBN OT crimson battlewinners besides Scattered that he can grab. Maybe I could just try to still run BB with Iron Pan and just be careful  :)

well sometimes just grabbing a guy can be what you need, like the winged lion or astrologers after you have just used invoking terror on chaldeans or foreign wives when they have drawn or nergalsharezer when you want to make your ot enh in hand cbn. i also love that off neb you can grab king's pomp and lurking, or any other multicolor ot crimson cards. i really like to grab the dae enh with him too for hand then cbn on nergal.

i would run something along the lines of 32 cards:


3x nergal
3x nebby
2x bab soldiers
2x the winged lion
2x astrologers
1x chaldeans
1x foreign wives
2x messenger of satan
2x spirit of temptation
2x the god of this world
1x scattered
4x swift horses
3x head of gold - this is awesome with pan because you are negating their protection from capture!
2x invoking terror
2x suicide swine stampede


maybe 1 twice afflicted if you cut a horses for king's pomp which doesn't seem that necessary because you are taking care of basically everything you need to that the placed enhancements would give you trouble with with 3x iron pan.

the idea with the horses is to get them on nergal for cbn play and draw. 3x nerg allows him to be a bit disposable as he is going to have a grail/aotl/grapes target on his face all day.

2x gates of hell for adding to battle back ups when they play cbn battle winners or doms ie go with nerg they cbn battle win then you gates in with spirit or messenger banded to nebby and grab another block to ring up their battle cost.

this of course doesn't include but assumes you are running at least 1 copy each of the daes forest fire and drawn sword. which i would certainly use 2x of each.

let me know if you want to test your deck on lackey!!
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Re: Iron Pan
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2015, 10:06:29 PM »
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Thanks again! I'll work through all your suggestions and see about upgrading the defense- this is really helpful!! As of now Lackey doesn't work for me with all I have going on but I appreciate your advice!

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