Author Topic: Infinite discards combo (Read 8740 times)

jtay · « **on:** February 15, 2009, 11:46:48 AM »

It might be a little hard to set up, but a few speed cards can help out with that:

Set Ahimaaz aside with Training in Righteousness and give him gold brigade.
Give Helmet of Brass to Ahimaaz.
RA with Ahimaaz (and check on the status of EC's your opponent has in hand).
Play 1/1 Obedience of Noah.
Choose your own Leviathan.
Play The Long Day.
Play Furnace of God's Wrath and discard an EC in territory.
Play Highway to send all your enhancements (except helmet of brass to your hand.

RA failed, so The Long Day's ability lets you make another RA.

RA with Ahimaaz (still holding Helmet of Brass).
Play 1/1 Obedience of Noah.
Choose your own Leviathan again.
Play the Long Day.
Play Furnace of God's Wrath and discard an EC in territory.
Play Battle Prayer and search for Highway.
Play Highway.

Repeat

When you're done discarding ECs, you can use Paying Tribute on Leviathan and get a free card out of the deal.

Ahimaaz's abilities only ever reach 11/12, so he maintains initiative, and you can do this as many times as you want. This would be pretty cool in multiplayer I can imagine.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2009, 11:54:41 AM »

Quote from: jtay on February 15, 2009, 11:46:48 AM

When you're done discarding ECs, you can use Paying Tribute on Leviathan and get a free card out of the deal.

Paying Tribute says human, but other than that this is a schweet combo.

SoulSaver · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2009, 01:01:47 PM »

Ahimaaz can't enter battle a second time.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2009, 01:38:18 PM »

He doesnt enter that ONE battle again... he enters another battle.

Sean · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2009, 01:42:26 PM »

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Give Helmet of Brass to Ahimaaz.
RA with Ahimaaz (and check on the status of EC's your opponent has in hand).
Play 1/1 Obedience of Noah.
Choose your own Leviathan.
Play The Long Day.
Play Rod of Iron and discard an EC in territory.
Play Stillness to send all your enhancements (except helmet of brass to your hand.

RA failed, so The Long Day's ability lets you make another RA.

RA with Ahimaaz (still holding Helmet of Brass).
Play 1/1 Obedience of Noah.
Choose your own Leviathan again.
Play the Long Day.
Play Rod of Iron and discard an EC in territory.
Play Jubilee and search for Stillness.
Play Stillness.

Fixed.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2009, 02:50:07 PM »

Yeah, I was gonna say... Seans version looks much more familar to what I've seen before. Picking PotW is a good choice too.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2009, 02:50:43 PM »

R.a. Jake
Play ob with noah 1/1 (choose levi)
Play long day
Play Trapped in cleverness
(2nd time on) Jubilee
Stillness

Rinse wash repeat. Then retreat one last time and walk in for a lost soul.

Only issue is UN, and the fact you need to kill their protect fort.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2009, 03:30:06 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on February 15, 2009, 02:50:07 PM

Yeah, I was gonna say... Seans version looks much more familar to what I've seen before. Picking PotW is a good choice too.

except that would would have to ITB and possible stop your cards.

Sean · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2009, 03:44:56 PM »

They don't get initiative either way.

Unknown Nation wouldn't do anything either unless it was a suicide character or FbtN character.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2009, 03:51:35 PM »

or a banding character who could band to an ITB+next guy.

Tsavong Lah · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:01:07 PM »

Unfortunately, it looks as if upcoming rule tweaks are going to kill this off, so enjoy it while you can.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:02:03 PM »

which rule tweak(s)?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:06:07 PM »

Banning of all cards, Naw seriously look in uhm...ruling questions for an insanely long thread.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:08:32 PM »

Quote from: Tsavong Lah on February 15, 2009, 07:01:07 PM

Unfortunately, it looks as if upcoming rule tweaks are going to kill this off, so enjoy it while you can.

MIGHT. if they choose the option that only effects immunity, then it'll be fine.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:50:42 PM »

Quote from: Tsavong Lah on February 15, 2009, 07:01:07 PM

Unfortunately, it looks as if upcoming rule tweaks are going to kill this off, so enjoy it while you can.

I'm not so sure. Rob presented three categories of response and the only one of the possible tweaks that touches this combo is the one that basically kills CTB as a strategy.

I haven't heard anyone make any positive comments towards the "kill CTB" option. To make matters worse, that option won't solve solve the original problem Rob is worried about.

The options for what cards or when cards get returned hand, don't touch this. Jtay's combo keeps clearing the field between each iteration. The RA is officially over and everything is cleared out for a restart. This is a major difference playwise between jtay's combo and the combo decks.

The option providing a limit on the number of cards played in a row also won't touch this, because when your opponent chooses the blocker for you, it still counts as you playing the card. Add to that that jtay is not proposing a stalemate situation, so the proposal won't touch him at all. Plus why wouldn't the initiative count get reset an an entirely new rescue attempt?

So don't get discouraged, jtay. Tune this up and try it out.

Sean · « **Reply #15 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:59:49 PM »

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Tune this up and try it out.

It doesn't need tune up, it works. It is a classic combo that has gotten easier to use with the advent of newer cards.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 15, 2009, 08:15:52 PM »

Quote from: Sean on February 15, 2009, 07:59:49 PM

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Tune this up and try it out.
It doesn't need tune up, it works. It is a classic combo that has gotten easier to use with the advent of newer cards.

Thanks for letting me know that, Sean.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #17 on:** February 15, 2009, 10:54:07 PM »

Quote from: jtay on February 15, 2009, 11:46:48 AM

It might be a little hard to set up, but a few speed cards can help out with that:

Set Ahimaaz aside with Training in Righteousness and give him gold brigade.
Give Helmet of Brass to Ahimaaz.
RA with Ahimaaz (and check on the status of EC's your opponent has in hand).
Play 1/1 Obedience of Noah.
Choose your own Leviathan.
Play The Long Day.
Play Furnace of God's Wrath and discard an EC in territory.
Play Highway to send all your enhancements (except helmet of brass to your hand.

RA failed, so The Long Day's ability lets you make another RA.

RA with Ahimaaz (still holding Helmet of Brass).
Play 1/1 Obedience of Noah.
Choose your own Leviathan again.
Play the Long Day.
Play Furnace of God's Wrath and discard an EC in territory.
Play Battle Prayer and search for Highway.

You forgot to add i am patience for when the rescue attempt fails. That way, you snipe a character and convert another

lightningninja · « **Reply #18 on:** February 15, 2009, 10:55:04 PM »

Okay... that was a brilliant addition! Then put in in ark of the cov in a temple if you choose their guys. !!!!! Epic!

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #19 on:** February 15, 2009, 11:17:28 PM »

Issue. IaP specifies at the end of your TURN.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #20 on:** February 15, 2009, 11:19:34 PM »

It wouldn't have been that great anyway; I mean, wouldn't you rather discard all those characters than convert half of them?

Tsavong Lah · « **Reply #21 on:** February 16, 2009, 03:09:31 AM »

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The options for what cards or when cards get returned hand, don't touch this. Jtay's combo keeps clearing the field between each iteration. The RA is officially over and everything is cleared out for a restart. This is a major difference playwise between jtay's combo and the combo decks.

Eh, I thought that the proposed rule change was that cards are returned to hand after the battle phase altogether, with the express intent of killing this exact combo. Am I wrong?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #22 on:** February 16, 2009, 07:57:18 AM »

All they really need to do is errata The Long Day.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #23 on:** February 16, 2009, 10:07:08 AM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on February 15, 2009, 11:17:28 PM

Issue. IaP specifies at the end of your TURN.

since you made 5 RAs, wouldn't you be able to convert 5 ECs?

I Am Patience

Type: Covenant • Brigade: Green • Ability: 2 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: At the end of your turn, if your rescue attempt failed you may convert one human Evil Character (except warrior class) to a green brigade Hero. • Identifiers: NT • Verse: II Peter 3:9 • Availability: Angel Wars booster packs (Common)

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #24 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:12:26 PM »

One human EC; I would say no.

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