Author Topic: Enforcing Time Limits: Redux (Read 9140 times)

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #25 on:** April 26, 2015, 01:19:33 PM »

I feel if my opponent is concerned with watching thier timer/stopwatch they can get in a situation where they are too concerned with the time and less concerned with the gamestate which could result in misplays on thier part ensuring my victory!

Chris · « **Reply #26 on:** April 26, 2015, 01:22:23 PM »

This is seriously the worst argument I think I've ever seen on these forums. Like, seriously guys?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #27 on:** April 26, 2015, 02:51:24 PM »

Quote from: Chris on April 26, 2015, 01:22:23 PM

This is seriously the worst argument I think I've ever seen on these forums. Like, seriously guys?

Wait... do you mean "worst argument" as in "Principles of Debate," or as in "Hatfields vs. McCoys?"

Depending on which one you meant, I already have a scathing response ready. You have 90 seconds to reply.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #28 on:** April 26, 2015, 02:55:45 PM »

JUDGE!! My opponent is stalling his answer.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #29 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:25:23 PM »

Chris obviously never went to the avengers vs dark knight thread.

This thread is way more artful.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 26, 2015, 05:07:22 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 26, 2015, 02:51:24 PM

Quote from: Chris on April 26, 2015, 01:22:23 PM
This is seriously the worst argument I think I've ever seen on these forums. Like, seriously guys?
Goats? That was worse.
Wait... do you mean "worst argument" as in "Principles of Debate," or as in "Hatfields vs. McCoys?"

Depending on which one you meant, I already have a scathing response ready. You have 90 seconds to reply.

Goats lol?

Drrek · « **Reply #31 on:** April 26, 2015, 09:43:44 PM »

Quote from: Daniel on April 26, 2015, 12:02:02 PM

Quote from: Drrek on April 25, 2015, 12:46:42 AM
Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 24, 2015, 11:08:32 PM
Quote from: jbeers285 on April 24, 2015, 10:35:41 PM
I am curious what you would think of a player elected to use a stop watch in top cut only at nationals?

I am curious why you would assume a player with a learning disability, autism or general apprehension issues would not be able to make top cut.

Because, and I'm really not trying to sound mean, they probably wouldn't.
A much more tactful and less blatantly ignorant way of defending your stance would be to argue that Top Cut is such a competitive scenario already that it makes sense there would be an allowance of stopwatches/timers.

If someone has such a debilitating issue that they are unable to play their turn within the time that is outlined as the turn limits, I have serious doubts that they would be able to play at a top level in the game, when there are good players without such issues that are not able to make cut.

Is it impossible? I suppose not. But its like being offended when I say someone with a limp is not likely to make the football team. They have an obvious disadvantage, so they probably are much less likely to make it.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #32 on:** April 26, 2015, 11:07:44 PM »

Quote from: Drrek on April 26, 2015, 09:43:44 PM

Is it impossible? I suppose not. But its like being offended when I say someone with a limp is not likely to make the football team. They have an obvious disadvantage, so they probably are much less likely to make it.

Just like a man who is deaf or only has one arm is not likely to be a Major League baseball player...

Drrek · « **Reply #33 on:** April 26, 2015, 11:22:53 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 26, 2015, 11:07:44 PM

Quote from: Drrek on April 26, 2015, 09:43:44 PM
Is it impossible? I suppose not. But its like being offended when I say someone with a limp is not likely to make the football team. They have an obvious disadvantage, so they probably are much less likely to make it.

Just like a man who is deaf or only has one arm is not likely to be a Major League baseball player...

Well they aren't, which is what makes those players careers all the more amazing.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #34 on:** April 26, 2015, 11:33:30 PM »

I have a learning disability and I topped last year. Not trying to brag just saying its possible.

Drrek · « **Reply #35 on:** April 26, 2015, 11:56:22 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on April 26, 2015, 11:33:30 PM

I have a learning disability and I topped last year. Not trying to brag just saying its possible.

Did your learning disability prevent you from being able to complete your turns in a reasonable time-frame?

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 27, 2015, 12:36:14 AM »

Quote from: Drrek on April 26, 2015, 11:56:22 PM

Quote from: TheHobbit on April 26, 2015, 11:33:30 PM
I have a learning disability and I topped last year. Not trying to brag just saying its possible.

Did your learning disability prevent you from being able to complete your turns in a reasonable time-frame?

I don't think so. I play slower because of it and only timed out once when I was playing against a large deck. You would have to ask my opponents to be sure.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #37 on:** April 27, 2015, 05:43:51 AM »

Quote from: Drrek on April 26, 2015, 11:22:53 PM

Well they aren't, ...

What is your evidence to support such a claim? Since you are talking "likelihood," I assume that mathematical probability would be a good measure. What is the percentage of able-bodied people that started playing baseball and ended up in the Major Leagues? Then, comparatively, what is the percentage of one-armed people who started playing baseball and ended up in the Major Leagues?

jesse · « **Reply #38 on:** April 27, 2015, 07:54:46 AM »

For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.

1 Corinthians 1:26-29

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #39 on:** April 27, 2015, 02:03:36 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 27, 2015, 05:43:51 AM

Quote from: Drrek on April 26, 2015, 11:22:53 PM
Well they aren't, ...

What is your evidence to support such a claim? Since you are talking "likelihood," I assume that mathematical probability would be a good measure. What is the percentage of able-bodied people that started playing baseball and ended up in the Major Leagues? Then, comparatively, what is the percentage of one-armed people who started playing baseball and ended up in the Major Leagues?

I'm genuinely curious what you are trying to learn or gain from this conversation

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #40 on:** April 27, 2015, 03:33:43 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 27, 2015, 02:03:36 PM

I'm genuinely curious what you are trying to learn or gain from this conversation

Are you referring to my responses to Drrek, or to my opinion about time limits?

For the former, I feel that Drrek's assumption that people with disabilities are not able to perform at the highest level of any competition is unfounded.

For the latter, I feel that rigid enforcement of time limits will drive people with disabilities out of Redemption, which I do not support.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #41 on:** April 29, 2015, 12:05:55 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 27, 2015, 05:43:51 AM

Quote from: Drrek on April 26, 2015, 11:22:53 PM
Well they aren't, ...

What is your evidence to support such a claim? Since you are talking "likelihood," I assume that mathematical probability would be a good measure. What is the percentage of able-bodied people that started playing baseball and ended up in the Major Leagues? Then, comparatively, what is the percentage of one-armed people who started playing baseball and ended up in the Major Leagues?

But like, I have no idea how this supports what you claim is your goal.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #42 on:** April 29, 2015, 05:37:57 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 29, 2015, 12:05:55 AM

But like, I have no idea how this supports what you claim is your goal.

I have no idea what supports Drrek's claims other than personal bias. However you only call out me and not him, much the same as the others. I realize that a lot of you just don't like me, which is why I try not to post as much as I used to, but why not call him out for his claims as well?

Since there is no way that Drrek has any actual evidence, I was offering even a general mathematical approach. You cannot claim that a one-armed baseball player is not likely to make the Major Leagues if only one has tried and made it. Even if there were a hundred that tried and only one made it, that would still be a better percentage of success than able-bodied players that made it to the Major Leagues.

Whether you like my approach is irrelevant. The fact remains that many people with disabilities are discouraged from ever even trying to succeed in certain sports/activities. I see this in the schools all the time. And not just in sports, but in academics: "If you even pass this class, then that would be a victory," rather than working with the student to help them reach their true potential, which may exceed the "normal" students. Students with disabilities are instead written off with the lowest of expectations. This creates an environment where they don't feel like they can be anything more than the low expectations set for them.

The Redemption community should not be this way, nor should it create an atmosphere that would push people with disabilities away.

I feel like I have made this point clear, so I am still uncertain as to why you continue to call me out, unless of course you agree with Drrek. If not, then why not spend as much of your time on him as you do on me?

jbeers285 · « **Reply #43 on:** April 29, 2015, 08:13:46 AM »

YMT your assumptions that people don't like you are your assumptions. I personally wouldn't mind meeting you. I needed some time to cool off because joke or not, your comments struck a deep place for me. a place I have invested large portions of my 26 years of life in. I made the intellectual choice to forgive you the moment I took offense but it took my emotions awhile to follow. I am sorry.

On the topic at hand I appreciate your willingness to go the extra mile in protecting and encouraging people with disabilities. We need people who are willing to do that but I tend to believe a less abrasive approach tends to achieve a higher level understanding.

Although I don't agree with the idea that people with disabilities are completely less capable then "normal" people I do think we need to recognize that they are disabled in some form. It's common sense to realize that these disabilities hinder their abilities in some aspect. If this were not true they wouldn't be disabled.

Can we look to shining examples of people who overcame large adversity, sure we can but these are the exception to the rule. Perhaps there would be more exceptions if more parents, teachers and coaches thought like you do but it wouldn't change the fact that they needed to overcome obstacles others did not.

Blessings on you YMT. I hope we do meet someday on earth but if not we will meet eventually and I'm sure these trifles will not matter.

Gabe · « **Reply #44 on:** April 29, 2015, 08:19:08 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 29, 2015, 05:37:57 AM

I realize that a lot of you just don't like me, which is why I try not to post as much as I used to, but why not call him out for his claims as well?

I don't think this is true. Not agreeing with someone and disliking them are very different things. For example, I rarely agree with Prof Underwood on anything related to this game, but I love him like a brother. If a person were to judge my feelings for him simply based on conversations we've had here over the years they would probably assume we are mortal enemies.

You bring a different perspective than the average player. I appreciate that and believe that the community needs it. Thanks for challenging our thinking.

It's a shame that you'll probably never make it to Nationals, for the simple reason that meeting one another face to face makes a world of difference to how we perceive one another the rest of the year when we only communicate over text. I'm very glad we got to meet when I was in Florida.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #45 on:** April 29, 2015, 09:16:51 AM »

I meant that people don't like the way I post, not that people don't like me personally. I agree with both of you that the latter would be an invalid conclusion. As always, my mind and my words don't match closely enough.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #46 on:** April 30, 2015, 02:29:34 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on April 29, 2015, 05:37:57 AM

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Since there is no way that Drrek has any actual evidence, I was offering even a general mathematical approach. You cannot claim that a one-armed baseball player is not likely to make the Major Leagues if only one has tried and made it. Even if there were a hundred that tried and only one made it, that would still be a better percentage of success than able-bodied players that made it to the Major Leagues.

This is all I wanted to hear. I literally had no idea what you were trying to draw out because the way you stated reads to me as if its obvious no one with one arm can make the MLB and one just happened to do it basically.

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