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Title: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: CJSports on August 14, 2010, 10:58:07 PM
At nationals RDT Pulled off in my opinion one of the coolest tricks ever, because they had to errata it on the spot. He blocked with angry mob and flipped over their heros discarded one and angry mob dosn't say flip the heros back over so they would be removed from the game. But unfortunatly they errata it on the spot.
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on August 14, 2010, 10:59:33 PM
a.) That is MJB's trick.
b.) It wasn't an errata, it was a clarification (or so I've been told).
c.) This opens the door for way cooler things.
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: JSB23 on August 15, 2010, 02:28:54 AM
Actually that ruling means discarded characters go back to territory at the end of turn
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on August 15, 2010, 03:41:38 PM
a.) That is MJB's trick.
b.) It wasn't an errata, it was a clarification (or so I've been told).
c.) This opens the door for way cooler things.
Excuse me, my mind just had an image of doom.
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on August 15, 2010, 04:33:26 PM
"AOCP? Yeah, my characters are discarded, but only until the end of the turn."
-MJB
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: Bryon on August 16, 2010, 10:55:16 PM
Angry Mob's special ability is "Discard a random hero from a random territory."  The stuff actually written on the card is only the "how," and the "flip 'em back over" has been an obvious understood step for years. 

Consider Angry Mob's text as part of the same category as the second sentence of the Pale Green Prince of This World.  It is not a special ability.  It was just supposed to clarify what that ability does or how that ability works.
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: Warrior_Monk on August 16, 2010, 10:56:59 PM
Angry Mob's special ability is "Discard a random hero from a random territory."  The stuff actually written on the card is only the "how," and the "flip 'em back over" has been an obvious understood step for years. 

Consider Angry Mob's text as part of the same category as the second sentence of the Pale Green Prince of This World.  It is not a special ability.  It was just supposed to clarify what that ability does or how that ability works.
but Angry Mob has an instant ability, not an ongoing ability. with instant abilities, you don't need clarifications. plus, clarifications were only needed pre-Angel Wars and in starters
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: Bryon on August 16, 2010, 10:58:40 PM
I'm confused by the last two sentences of your post.
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: Alex_Olijar on August 16, 2010, 11:00:14 PM
Angry Mob's special ability is "Discard a random hero from a random territory."  The stuff actually written on the card is only the "how," and the "flip 'em back over" has been an obvious understood step for years. 

Consider Angry Mob's text as part of the same category as the second sentence of the Pale Green Prince of This World.  It is not a special ability.  It was just supposed to clarify what that ability does or how that ability works.

Then, I have to ask....


How would Angry Mob be worded today (It would not be printed is not the answer I am looking for, haha)?
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: Bryon on August 16, 2010, 11:08:45 PM
Select a territory at random by spinning Angry Mob and arguing about the significance of its final position.  Discard a random hero from that territory.
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: Warrior_Monk on August 16, 2010, 11:10:21 PM
I'm confused by the last two sentences of your post.
I'm confused by the last three sentences of my post.

you gave clarifications back in those days. Angry Mob doesn't have a clarification. Invisible Beings flips a hero face down. it's face up isn't a clarification. it's a part of the ability.
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: Alex_Olijar on August 16, 2010, 11:13:31 PM
Select a territory at random by spinning Angry Mob and arguing about the significance of its final position.  Discard a random hero from that territory.

Haha. I like the first two sentences.
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: Bryon on August 16, 2010, 11:13:48 PM
Angry Mob was printed in 2001? in the Apostles.  That was the same set that had Nero, which has the lame second sentence that the pale green Prince of this World had.  That second sentence isn't a special ability.  It is a "clarification."  It is the same with Angry Mob.  Turning the heroes face down is not the special ability.  Discarding the heroes is the special ability.  The face down part is just a long, incomplete way to say "discard a random hero from that territory."
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on August 16, 2010, 11:17:12 PM
I assume the spinning is indeed part of the SA and not clarification though, right?
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: Warrior_Monk on August 16, 2010, 11:19:43 PM
Angry Mob was printed in 2001? in the Apostles.  That was the same set that had Nero, which has the lame second sentence that the pale green Prince of this World had.  That second sentence isn't a special ability.  It is a "clarification."  It is the same with Angry Mob.  Turning the heroes face down is not the special ability.  Discarding the heroes is the special ability.  The face down part is just a long, incomplete way to say "discard a random hero from that territory."
but the card directs you to put it face down. clarifications don't do anything except explain things that the special ability already say.

on that note, does Mask of Vanity end the battle?
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: JSB23 on August 17, 2010, 02:40:45 AM
I still don't understand why you didn't just errata the card...
Title: Re: Coolest ruling ever
Post by: SomeKittens on August 17, 2010, 12:11:40 PM
Reading MoV literally, no.  The Rescue attempt fails, but it still can continue as a battle challenge.
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