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Offline NathanW

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Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« on: February 01, 2012, 08:01:29 PM »
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I was wondering if I could Get inish with a low number gray EC, and then lay two Momentum Change, then lay Bearing Bad News, then would one Momentum Change return the other one to my hand, and only the EC would be discarded as a result of the battle and the three enhancments would be returned to my hand? :o

Bearing Bad News (Ki)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Gray • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: If a unique human Evil Character is discarded as a result of this battle, no Lost Soul may be rescued by a Hero this turn. • Play As: If a unique human Evil Character is discarded as a result of this battle, protect all Lost Souls from rescue by a Hero this turn. • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Samuel 18:32


Momentum Change (Ki)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Gray • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Return all Evil Enhancements except this one to holder's hand if Evil Character loses in battle. • Play As: If Evil Character loses in battle, return all enhancements played on Evil Character to hand except this one. • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Samuel 19:1-2

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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2012, 08:03:18 PM »
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"This one" in Momentum Change means Momentum Change itself, not that particular copy, so it ensures that any and all copies of Momentum Change played that battle are discarded.
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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2012, 08:04:22 PM »
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Ok thanks. :(
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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2012, 10:24:33 PM »
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The momentum changes cover each other.
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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 01:24:34 PM »
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Ok so theres two opinions which one is corect. ???
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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 01:44:40 PM »
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The Hobbit wasn't disagreeing, just saying the same thing in a more confusing way.
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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 07:00:41 PM »
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Ohhhhh ::)
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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2012, 07:25:19 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on February 02, 2012, 01:44:40 PM
The Hobbit wasn't disagreeing, just saying the same thing in a more confusing way.

Actually I was disagreeing, by "cover" I ment recur.
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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2012, 07:26:04 PM »
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Well, in that case you're both wrong and confusing :)
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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2012, 07:45:02 PM »
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I don't understand why "this one" means all momentum changes. They might as well have said "this card".

What if a generic ec said may band to an evil character to discard all evil characters in battle except this one. Would both stay?

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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2012, 07:47:34 PM »
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I agree that it should be handled with an errata ("Momentum Change" instead of "This One"), rather than a pretty bad fiat ruling, but that's how it is now.
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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2012, 07:51:24 PM »
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Mother may I...


Momentum Change (Ki)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Gray • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Remove this card from game to return all Evil Enhancements to holder's hand if Evil Character loses in battle. • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Samuel 19:1-2

Paybacks are H-E-double hockey stick.  ;)
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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2012, 07:56:27 PM »
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That does more changing than is necessary. One of the biggest differences is that Grapes could not be played off it.
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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2012, 08:02:10 PM »
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ANB is currently jamming inside the Ark to the smash hit, "My heart bleeds for you."


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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2012, 12:39:32 AM »
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This does not make it "right" (though it does show precedent): many Type II decks of the past have centered around the idea of 2x Momentum change (5 False Peace in the mix). Though Nazareth killed False Peace, I've not heard that Momentum Change was killed via ruling (...as non-pharisee gray dramatically waves goodbye to Type II).
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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2012, 01:07:53 AM »
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After researching, here is a thread I found that seems to state that, as Pol noted, Momentum Change cannot target-for-return other copies of MC. In other words "If EC loses, return all enhancements except momentum change cards to hand".

Link to 2009 Discussion

The only thing left up in the air was "can an activated MC return a negated MC to hand?"

(should this be moved to rulings?)
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Re: Bearing Bad News/Momentum Change Question?
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2012, 09:40:42 AM »
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I'd vote that this be moved to rulings, but I know that a negated MC is still a MC, and thus, isn't returned.
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