Author Topic: Another Gates of Hell Combo (Read 10607 times)

Sean · « **on:** August 03, 2009, 01:35:30 PM »

Gates of Hell + Wandering Spirit + Trembling Demon = Fun

LukeSnyder · « **Reply #1 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:38:07 PM »

Good find! I imagine that combo will become pretty much staple in many decks.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #2 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:46:28 PM »

Buhrokeeeeeeen!

Sean · « **Reply #3 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:47:17 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on August 03, 2009, 01:46:28 PM

Buhrokeeeeeeen!

Nah, it doesn't work against initiative heroes.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #4 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:49:27 PM »

That, Ignore, CTB, and pre-block bombing are like the only ways to stop it. It's about as close to broken as anything nowadyas.

LukeSnyder · « **Reply #5 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:50:47 PM »

My favorite part about this combo is that the two demons sit at the bottom of your deck safely when you aren't blocking

Korunks · « **Reply #6 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:52:30 PM »

So when the new WS gets offed he and his partner go to the bottom of the deck? Hrmm.

Gohanick · « **Reply #7 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:53:20 PM »

Im confused.

How is a 3/7 combo that makes you discard a card from your hand broken?

The Schaef · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:53:36 PM »

How is it broken if it requires the demon to be discarded to go back to the bottom, meaning that any Hero(es) with total strength <7 or total toughness <4 can get initiative to play, and you can always discard to stop TD?

Hanno102 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:55:26 PM »

This works so much better if you have holy of holies and crown of thorns active. Though, I still wouldn't really call it broken as it is pretty easy to stop with the right characters / territory class enhancements.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:57:53 PM »

I thought it was assumed that Holy of Holies was up. You could also activate something like Elijah's Mantle and/or Covenant of Salt to make things easier.

EDIT: Crown of thorns would deadify TD, wouldn't it?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #11 on:** August 03, 2009, 01:58:38 PM »

This isn't broken at all. In fact, this might be one of the least broken things I've seen.

LukeSnyder · « **Reply #12 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:01:36 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on August 03, 2009, 01:57:53 PM

I thought it was assumed that Holy of Holies was up. You could also activate something like Elijah's Mantle and/or Covenant of Salt to make things easier.

EDIT: Crown of thorns would deadify TD, wouldn't it?

Not if you pull him off the bottom during battle with wandering spirit...

Lawfuldog · « **Reply #13 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:03:17 PM »

I like how everyone is making all of these combos with Gates of Hell, I'm fairly certain all of my Type-2 decks have Three Nails in them.

Sean · « **Reply #14 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:05:43 PM »

Crown of Thorns would kill Trembling Demon before he would be in battle. CoT would not help. And I agree that this isn't broken at all. Its just a fun way to recur Trembling Demon.

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makes you discard a card from your hand broken?

Who's discarding a card from hand?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #15 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:07:38 PM »

There's much, much more broken things to do with Wandering Spirit and Gates of Hell for sure.

Hanno102 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:28:35 PM »

Quote from: LukeSnyder on August 03, 2009, 02:01:36 PM

Quote from: BubbleBoy on August 03, 2009, 01:57:53 PM
I thought it was assumed that Holy of Holies was up. You could also activate something like Elijah's Mantle and/or Covenant of Salt to make things easier.

EDIT: Crown of thorns would deadify TD, wouldn't it?

Not if you pull him off the bottom during battle with wandering spirit...

Exactly.

Sean · « **Reply #17 on:** August 03, 2009, 03:04:37 PM »

Quote from: Hanno102 on August 03, 2009, 02:28:35 PM

Quote from: LukeSnyder on August 03, 2009, 02:01:36 PM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on August 03, 2009, 01:57:53 PM
I thought it was assumed that Holy of Holies was up. You could also activate something like Elijah's Mantle and/or Covenant of Salt to make things easier.

EDIT: Crown of thorns would deadify TD, wouldn't it?

Not if you pull him off the bottom during battle with wandering spirit...

Exactly.

Incorrect. The demon pulled from the bottom goes into territory. Once in territory he is subject to Crown of Thorns => back to bottom of deck because of Wandering Spirit. Congratulations, you just sent your demon on a field trip.

Hanno102 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 03, 2009, 03:08:40 PM »

From the Reg:

Unless stated otherwise, characters in play with toughness (*/0) or less during battle are not immediately discarded.

Yes, it does work.

lightningninja · « **Reply #19 on:** August 03, 2009, 03:14:38 PM »

What's fun is to NOT have holy of holies active. Go in with wandering+trembling demon. If they don't have initiative, they'll discard. Then, die, go on the bottom, put them in territory by discarding them off the bottom, and then discard GOH to add them to battle again. Ah... so nice. Die again and use it one more turn, if you can get to the bottom of your deck. Add in the ls who lets a character enter battle if placed in a site and do another nasty thing, all without letting them get initiative and wiping out a lot of enhancements.

LukeSnyder · « **Reply #20 on:** August 03, 2009, 03:15:39 PM »

Quote from: Sean on August 03, 2009, 03:04:37 PM

Quote from: Hanno102 on August 03, 2009, 02:28:35 PM
Quote from: LukeSnyder on August 03, 2009, 02:01:36 PM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on August 03, 2009, 01:57:53 PM
I thought it was assumed that Holy of Holies was up. You could also activate something like Elijah's Mantle and/or Covenant of Salt to make things easier.

EDIT: Crown of thorns would deadify TD, wouldn't it?

Not if you pull him off the bottom during battle with wandering spirit...

Exactly.
Incorrect. The demon pulled from the bottom goes into territory. Once in territory he is subject to Crown of Thorns => back to bottom of deck because of Wandering Spirit. Congratulations, you just sent your demon on a field trip.

Quote from: Hanno102 on August 03, 2009, 03:08:40 PM

From the Reg:

Unless stated otherwise, characters in play with toughness (*/0) or less during battle are not immediately discarded.

Yes, it does work.

I believe Hanno is correct. The important part isn't where the character of (*/0) is, but WHEN he's (*/0). Since the whole thing takes place during the battle phase, he doesn't immediately get discarded. It makes sense if you think about how hunger and plague of flies work. The characters in territory are discarded AFTER the battle.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #21 on:** August 03, 2009, 03:23:52 PM »

Oh, yay! I think you guys might be right there.

Quote from: lightningninja on August 03, 2009, 03:14:38 PM

What's fun is to NOT have holy of holies active. Go in with wandering+trembling demon. If they don't have initiative, they'll discard. Then, die, go on the bottom, put them in territory by discarding them off the bottom, and then discard GOH to add them to battle again. Ah... so nice. Die again and use it one more turn, if you can get to the bottom of your deck. Add in the ls who lets a character enter battle if placed in a site and do another nasty thing, all without letting them get initiative and wiping out a lot of enhancements.

If that even works, it isn't worth it.

Sean · « **Reply #22 on:** August 03, 2009, 03:25:48 PM »

I stand corrected. I didn't know it was for the battle phase, just thought it was the field of battle.

LukeSnyder · « **Reply #23 on:** August 03, 2009, 03:28:10 PM »

Quote from: Sean on August 03, 2009, 03:25:48 PM

I stand corrected. I didn't know it was for the battle phase, just thought it was the field of battle.

Yeah, thats what I thought at first blush myself. Now all you need for this combo is a temple to pop HoH in, and activate your crown of thorns. THAT combo is nearly impossible to get around

But it takes a lot of cards to get out completely, so its not broken.

Sean · « **Reply #24 on:** August 03, 2009, 03:29:49 PM »

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But it takes a lot of cards to get out completely

Easy to do with drawing and searching. Still not broken though.

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Author Topic: Another Gates of Hell Combo (Read 10607 times)

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