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I think that the seahawks will win because they are at home, and the patriots because in their last game brady didn't throw any touchdowns, but the team still managed to get 6!!

Wow i love how someone brought up spygate especially when the other teams in the league did the same thing. Whats wrong with Tom Teriffic he can't help that he came back from a 24-0 halftime deficit to beat the best offense i NFL history.Everyone dislikes Tom because he wins i do agree with you that CK is a punk as i can't stand him i want the hawks to win i just don't think they will.Oh and to your espn fanboy thing Manning has gotten more attention than Brady did this year.

Brady has won 0 Super Bowls since spygate and everyone else does it is not a valid argument in any level of debate

I will say brady is talented although I think a lot of credit falls on belicheck Cassel went 11-5 under him on the same team.

No one else got fined for it and the NFL is without a doubt going to produce stuff saying its minimal impact on the game to protect the product

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 14, 2014, 10:11:48 PM

No one else got fined for it and the NFL is without a doubt going to produce stuff saying its minimal impact on the game to protect the product

Why would the NFL say that it wasn't influential, when they slapped a huge fine and took a draft pick?  They demonized the Saints too for what they did, and whenever they mete out punishment they always try to say how 'grave' it is and how much it 'hurts the game', so that there is justification for what they just did.

Also, I'm referring to sports writers who did analysis on this sort of thing, and experts in the game, who don't see how this helped at all, especially help win Super Bowls.

And really, 'no one else got fined' is not a good argument for saying no one else did it, only that no one else got caught (read: no one turned them in).  For reference, all teams have "bounty" systems in place, and someone who talks 'tough' about hurting other players.  It is unlikely that most teams have a coach who coordinates the bounty payments, or a coach who encourages hurting other players, but many players have admitted that their teams do something very similar to what the Saints did.  Why did only the Saints get penalized?  Because someone recorded them and sent in evidence (most of which we still haven't seen, but that's beside the point).  No one else got caught, but they all did it (and most still do).

Any evidence to support "every one does it and most still do?" That still doesn't make it right.

Hines Ward to this day contends that patriots defenses knew their audibles in 2004, probably didn't have much impact on the game though.

Hines Ward to this day contends that patriots defenses knew their audibles in 2004, probably didn't have much impact on the game though.

He can say that, and Mangini (who turned in the Pats) can say that the only reason he turned it over was that he "didn’t think it was any kind of significant advantage, but I wasn’t going to give them the convenience of doing it in our stadium."  The allegation that this was done for the Super Bowl as well was withdrawn after proven false.

Any evidence to support "every one does it and most still do?" That still doesn't make it right.

Actually, Jimmy Johnson answers the first part very clearly, and also emphasizes your second part in that it was wrong since the league sent out a memo not to do it (but other teams did it before, and after, anyway):
"This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn't think it helped us.  Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all of the teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches. These players don't know what their coaches are doing. And some of the coaches have selective amnesia, because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That's why the memo was sent to everybody. That doesn't make [Belichick] right, but a lot of teams are doing this."

The 49ers are 0-4 AGS against Seattle since last year.

Which is why I'd say I'm a rebel with the pick, but I also go with the belief that they are 'due', as it were   I won't be surprised who wins that game, but I think the 49ers will take it, by 4.  Last minute drive by the Seahawks, needing a TD, will end in a controversial call on 4th down (because, why not, it's the Seahawks ).

Brady has won 0 Super Bowls since spygate and everyone else does it is not a valid argument in any level of debate

So have about 50+ other quarterbacks. winning the superbowl is a rare thing, it doesn't happen that often, that's why it was so impressive when they won 3 in 4 years. If the Patriots go to the Super Bowl this year they will have done so in 50% of the season Brady has started. Do you understand how amazing that is? Spygate or not Brady is the best QB in NFL history and trying to discredit him for something that happened over a decade ago is laughable.

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 14, 2014, 09:57:16 PM

Brady has won 0 Super Bowls since spygate and everyone else does it is not a valid argument in any level of debate

So have about 50+ other quarterbacks. winning the superbowl is a rare thing, it doesn't happen that often, that's why it was so impressive when they won 3 in 4 years. If the Patriots go to the Super Bowl this year they will have done so in 50% of the season Brady has started. Do you understand how amazing that is? Spygate or not Brady is the best QB in NFL history and trying to discredit him for something that happened over a decade ago is laughable.

I disagree with Brady being the best QB in NFL history, and I don't like the Patriots at all, and I still have to say that Spygate really doesn't have much of anything to do with the Patriots' successes

No one likes the Pats they cant help that they have had a winning record every season since 2001. Brady has pretty much carried his team this year the team is so rattled with injuries it would be a miracle if they won the SuperBowl this year although i think they will.

@JSBeers

Big Ben's fat , Polamalu's a girl, and Mike aka "12th Man" Tomlin is a dirty prisoner.

Moving on:

New England had there fun with one of the worst divisions in the football and got to play the Colts who had arguable the worst defense of all playoff teams. Now Tom Brady has to go on the road and basically play a better team who is, ironically, better then they are at almost every position. The party is over hope it was fun while it lasted.... I actually do hope it was fun for you guys in NE. I love football so much and just wish the Vikings could get their act together. The one season Aaron Rodgers goes done the one season we don't have a defense and a QB. Basically we were Greenbay there for a while the difference is we won/tied close games and they won them. I am so excited for the draft. If we don't draft a quarter back or make a trade for one I don't know what I will do, probably be a Lions fan for a while... love me some Motor-City Kitties

So I like the Broncos

And

SaltHawks
The NFC game is more difficult to predict imo. I think the Niners have an advantage if they can get Frank Gore going because lets face it Seattle's front 4 is not so good. I would imagine Davis gives the hawks even more matchup problems. Lynch is good for the Hawks but I can't see him having a great game because San Fran has good linebackers. Basically Seattle's D will keep everything in front of them while San Fran will give up a big play or 2. Combine that with Seattles kicker (the real 'beast mode' imo), recent history with the Niners, and Home field. I'd say the Salt Hawks win comfortabley

SUPER pumped for the great games this year and a GREAT superbowl no matter how you slice it. I will be cheerring for a Denver 49ers matchup because I think that would be the best possible game.

It wasn't fun while it lasted cuz its still going Brady gets his 4th ring soon.

@TheHobbit
I don't know who JSBeers is