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NFL standings discussion
« on: December 08, 2013, 05:39:38 PM »
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im in the spirit of football right now so while im listening to the Titans/Broncos game, I just thought i'd start a discussion on the NFL standings.

so far the picture looks like this

          AFC                                        NFC

East
Patriots 9-3                                  Eagles 8-5
Dolphins  6-6                               Cowboys 7-5
Jets  5-7                                      Giants 5-7     
Bills  4-9                                      Redskins 3-10 

West
Broncos   10-2                             Seahawks   11-1 (clinched wild card)
Chiefs   10-3                               49ers   8-4 
Chargers   5-7                             Cardinals   7-5
Raiders  4-8                                Rams   5-7 

North
Bengals 9-4                                 Lions   7-6
Ravens 7-6                                  Bears   6-6
Steelers 5-7                                 Packers   6-6-1
Browns 4-8                                  Vikings   3-10-1

South
Colts   8-5                                    Saints   9-3
Titans   5-8                                  Panthers 9-3 
Jaguars 4-9                                  Buccaneers   4-9
Texans 2-11                                 Falcons   3-10
 

I just wanted to talk about this. since last season I must ask the Houston and Atlanta fans; WHAT happened to the Texans and Falcons? last year they were superbowl caliber but now they're not playing their best. what happened there?



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Re: NFL standings discussion
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2013, 07:09:26 PM »
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In the converse of Houston and Atlanta, think of last years Chiefs and Panthers, compared to this years Chiefs and Panthers.

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Re: NFL standings discussion
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2013, 08:23:18 AM »
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The most intriguing thing about the NFL is the number of playoff teams from last year that are not in the current playoff picture this year:

2012-13 Playoff Teams:

Denver
New England
Houston
Baltimore
Indianapolis
Cincinnati

Atlanta
San Francisco
Green Bay
Washington
Seattle
Minnesota

2013-14 Playoff Picture (through Week 14):

Denver
New England
Cincinnati
Indianapolis
Kansas City
Miami

Seattle
New Orleans
Philadelphia
Detroit
San Francisco
Carolina

So there are currently 6 teams from the playoffs last year that are not in the playoff standings, and only 2 of the other 6 (Green Bay Packers and the Baltimore RavenRefs*) have a chance of making it.


*Yeah, I'm a little bitter. To have one of the most exciting endings to a football game effectively decided by a bogus pass interference call was just sad, among several other blatant errors brought to us Viking fans by the officiating crew yesterday. Had we won that game, we would still not have been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Not that we could expect the Lions, Bears and soon-to-have-Rodgers-back Packers to lose out to let us win the division, but the way every team in the NFC North has been playing of late, it wasn't that far-fetched...
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Re: NFL standings discussion
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2013, 08:41:54 AM »
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Justin, im not JUST a titans fan. im also a Ravens fan (does make sense how I root for my namesake team) just thought you should know. i'd be complaining about the refs as well cause I cant stand them myself, I do know how you feel when it comes to referees screwing a team over and cause them to lose the titans have gotten that before as well as the ravens. but just out of curiousity, how do you explain the other 9 losses the Vikings have had within the regular season?
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Re: NFL standings discussion
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2013, 08:50:56 AM »
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The most intriguing thing about the NFL is the number of playoff teams from last year that are not in the current playoff picture this year:

2012-13 Playoff Teams:

Denver
New England
Houston
Baltimore
Indianapolis
Cincinnati

Atlanta
San Francisco
Green Bay
Washington
Seattle
Minnesota

2013-14 Playoff Picture (through Week 14):

Denver
New England
Cincinnati
Indianapolis
Kansas City
Miami

Seattle
New Orleans
Philadelphia
Detroit
San Francisco
Carolina

So there are currently 6 teams from the playoffs last year that are not in the playoff standings, and only 2 of the other 6 (Green Bay Packers and the Baltimore RavenRefs*) have a chance of making it.


*Yeah, I'm a little bitter. To have one of the most exciting endings to a football game effectively decided by a bogus pass interference call was just sad, among several other blatant errors brought to us Viking fans by the officiating crew yesterday. Had we won that game, we would still not have been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Not that we could expect the Lions, Bears and soon-to-have-Rodgers-back Packers to lose out to let us win the division, but the way every team in the NFC North has been playing of late, it wasn't that far-fetched...

Hey, the Ravens are currently in the number 6 spot because they have the head to head tie-breaker over the dolphins.

(Also as a side note, I really dislike it when people complain about games being decided by refs.  Yes the officiating went against the Vikings, but the Vikings had enough chances to win that game for themselves and they didn't.  Every team will have games where the calls go against them and its their job to overcome that.)
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Re: NFL standings discussion
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2013, 09:26:28 AM »
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Hey, the Ravens are currently in the number 6 spot because they have the head to head tie-breaker over the dolphins.

(Also as a side note, I really dislike it when people complain about games being decided by refs.  Yes the officiating went against the Vikings, but the Vikings had enough chances to win that game for themselves and they didn't.  Every team will have games where the calls go against them and its their job to overcome that.)

I thought I had heard yesterday that the Ravens needed the Dolphins to lose to stay in the playoff picture because the Dolphins had the tiebreaker. Perhaps I was wrong.

As for people complaining about bad calls, that's how we cope with rooting for losing teams.  ;) Obviously a good team would have won that game in spite of the bad calls. But when the deck is already stacked against your team (on the road, bad weather for a team that is accustomed to the comforts of an indoor stadium, your best player gets injured early in the second quarter, etc.) and you still play well enough to win, it makes those bad calls seem much worse. It's hard enough to win an NFL game given all of those conditions, but it's even harder when the refs seemed determined to continually give the advantage to the home team.
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Re: NFL standings discussion
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2013, 09:40:52 AM »
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Hey, the Ravens are currently in the number 6 spot because they have the head to head tie-breaker over the dolphins.

(Also as a side note, I really dislike it when people complain about games being decided by refs.  Yes the officiating went against the Vikings, but the Vikings had enough chances to win that game for themselves and they didn't.  Every team will have games where the calls go against them and its their job to overcome that.)

I thought I had heard yesterday that the Ravens needed the Dolphins to lose to stay in the playoff picture because the Dolphins had the tiebreaker. Perhaps I was wrong.

As for people complaining about bad calls, that's how we cope with rooting for losing teams.  ;) Obviously a good team would have won that game in spite of the bad calls. But when the deck is already stacked against your team (on the road, bad weather for a team that is accustomed to the comforts of an indoor stadium, your best player gets injured early in the second quarter, etc.) and you still play well enough to win, it makes those bad calls seem much worse. It's hard enough to win an NFL game given all of those conditions, but it's even harder when the refs seemed determined to continually give the advantage to the home team.

Both the Harbaughs are known for public riding referees and people can say what they want but it has impacted the officiating on ravens and 49ers games. The ravens get a ton of Ticky tack PI calls sense harbaugh showed up and the 49ers got a ton of crud due to their harbaugh whining about the Seahawks secondary for a year and a half. Both of them complain about there teams getting flagge for obvious blows to the heads of quarter backs and then want wimpy calls when there QB's run and knocked around a little bit. Eventually it will come around to roost I hope.
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Re: NFL standings discussion
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2013, 04:32:22 PM »
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Hey, the Ravens are currently in the number 6 spot because they have the head to head tie-breaker over the dolphins.

(Also as a side note, I really dislike it when people complain about games being decided by refs.  Yes the officiating went against the Vikings, but the Vikings had enough chances to win that game for themselves and they didn't.  Every team will have games where the calls go against them and its their job to overcome that.)

I thought I had heard yesterday that the Ravens needed the Dolphins to lose to stay in the playoff picture because the Dolphins had the tiebreaker. Perhaps I was wrong.

As for people complaining about bad calls, that's how we cope with rooting for losing teams.  ;) Obviously a good team would have won that game in spite of the bad calls. But when the deck is already stacked against your team (on the road, bad weather for a team that is accustomed to the comforts of an indoor stadium, your best player gets injured early in the second quarter, etc.) and you still play well enough to win, it makes those bad calls seem much worse. It's hard enough to win an NFL game given all of those conditions, but it's even harder when the refs seemed determined to continually give the advantage to the home team.

Both the Harbaughs are known for public riding referees and people can say what they want but it has impacted the officiating on ravens and 49ers games. The ravens get a ton of Ticky tack PI calls sense harbaugh showed up and the 49ers got a ton of crud due to their harbaugh whining about the Seahawks secondary for a year and a half. Both of them complain about there teams getting flagge for obvious blows to the heads of quarter backs and then want wimpy calls when there QB's run and knocked around a little bit. Eventually it will come around to roost I hope.

FWIW Jim Harbaugh is one of my least favorite coaches in the league specifically because of the whining about calls and the temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way.  If a fan complains about calls costing them the game, it annoys me some, but its what I expect from fans.  When coaches or players complain that a call cost them the game, it sours my opinion of them because they are professionals, part of their job is overcoming bad calls (they do happen to everyone) and winning in spite of them.  (As a small side note, I actually don't have a problem with coaches and players asking for flags in game.  You take what advantage you can get in a game, so if you think you can convince the refs by asking for a flag, you should probably do it.)

This is just my opinion though.  I used to be a big complainer about penalties, but when I look at it objectively and realized that all teams get hit by penalties and the best teams overcome them anyway, complaining about penalties has really started to bug me.
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Re: NFL standings discussion
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2013, 04:34:44 PM »
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I wasn't able to watch the Vikings-Ravens game yesterday so I have been wondering if the PI call in that game was as bad as the PI penalty that gave the Patriots the win?
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2013, 05:40:04 PM »
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I wasn't able to watch the Vikings-Ravens game yesterday so I have been wondering if the PI call in that game was as bad as the PI penalty that gave the Patriots the win?

It was just about as bad. The Ravens receiver literally tripped/slipped on what was either the snow or Greenway's foot, and Greenway got called for PI. At least in the Pats/Browns case, there was what may have been a slight push from Joe Haden in the back of the receiver, though that was still an awful call.
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2013, 05:57:12 PM »
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I wasn't able to watch the Vikings-Ravens game yesterday so I have been wondering if the PI call in that game was as bad as the PI penalty that gave the Patriots the win?

It was just about as bad. The Ravens receiver literally tripped/slipped on what was either the snow or Greenway's foot, and Greenway got called for PI. At least in the Pats/Browns case, there was what may have been a slight push from Joe Haden in the back of the receiver, though that was still an awful call.
Then there was also the Garhart fumble which seemed that he was obviously down before the ball came out.

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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2013, 06:07:15 PM »
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I wasn't able to watch the Vikings-Ravens game yesterday so I have been wondering if the PI call in that game was as bad as the PI penalty that gave the Patriots the win?

It was just about as bad. The Ravens receiver literally tripped/slipped on what was either the snow or Greenway's foot, and Greenway got called for PI. At least in the Pats/Browns case, there was what may have been a slight push from Joe Haden in the back of the receiver, though that was still an awful call.
Then there was also the Garhart fumble which seemed that he was obviously down before the ball came out.

Yeah I thought for sure that Gerhart was down when I saw the replay on the jumbotron in the stadium, and my seat had terrible views of both of the jumbotrons, so I was surprised when it was upheld.
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Re: NFL standings discussion
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2013, 11:00:25 PM »
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Without Gronk, my Patriots will have an uphill climb to the Super Bowl. We really need to spend a high draft pick on a star receiver, or pick one up via free agency. Not giving Welker and Woodhead the money they wanted really bites us now. Of course, giving that money instead to the referees has paid off handsomely so far.  ::)
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2013, 12:10:21 PM »
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Then there was also the Garhart fumble which seemed that he was obviously down before the ball came out.

I never saw the replay (I was listening on the radio then) but it seems that everyone agreed that it was the wrong call. I can't say that that was necessarily the game-changing controversial call though, like the PI call obviously was.

or pick one up via free agency.

Hey, I think Randy Moss is still available... ;)

Of course, giving that money instead to the referees has paid off handsomely so far.  ::)

LOL! I'm not sure if it was money that the referees got from Patriots, or maybe they were instructed by Goodell himself. After all, having the Patriots lose to the Browns would simply be embarrassing for the NFL. On another note, I only have been really paying attention because he is on my fantasy team, but it's kind of interesting to see Josh Gordon having an off-day...only 151 yards and a TD? He can do better than that...
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2013, 06:00:50 PM »
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The thred should be updated after monday's game.

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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2013, 06:27:19 PM »
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The thred should be updated after monday's game.

That is true. It looks like the Monsters of the Midway are looking to be a formidable foe coming down the stretch...I'm rooting for them to win the NFC North. Mostly because I don't like the Lions because they're supposed to be bad and I hate that the Vikings have taken their place as the team no one respects in the NFC North, and I don't like the Packers because.
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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2013, 07:57:51 PM »
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After all, having the Patriots lose to the Browns would simply be embarrassing for the NFL.

This simply shows how vulnerable the Patriots are. Sure Brady has a long history of fourth quarter comebacks, but to expect that to carry the Patriots to a SuperBowl is quite a stretch. We just don't have the other personnel to keep that up much longer. We need Wilfork back in the lineup to stop the run on defense, and we need a consistent runner that can hold onto the ball. Having receivers who can get open and catch balls thrown into their hands would help too. Especially since Brady doesn't seem to get the ball into their hands as much as he used to.... at least not for the first three quarters of the game.  ;)

On a completely unrelated note, folks down here are convinced that Florida State and UCF could beat the Jaguars and Buccaneers handily.  :o
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2013, 10:14:05 PM »
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It looks like the Monsters of the Midway are looking to be a formidable foe coming down the stretch...I'm rooting for them to win the NFC North. Mostly because I don't like the Lions because they're supposed to be bad and I hate that the Vikings have taken their place as the team no one respects in the NFC North, and I don't like the Packers because.
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2013, 10:42:29 AM »
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On a completely unrelated note, folks down here are convinced that Florida State and UCF could beat the Jaguars and Buccaneers handily.  :o

Two of the hottest teams in the NFL right now? I dunno...Maybe I'd have agreed a month and a half ago.

and we need a consistent runner that can hold onto the ball.

We'll trade you AP for Brady. Straight up.

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The sentence didn't need to be finished, but yeah, that works.
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2013, 01:26:02 PM »
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Two of the hottest teams in the NFL right now? I dunno...Maybe I'd have agreed a month and a half ago.

The hottest team in all of football is Florida State right now.

If you think that the Buccaneers or Jaguars can beat the top teams in the NFL right now, then I would most definitely disagree. Their wins have all come against teams with losing records. Jacksonville, in fact, has half of their wins against Houston. You are talking about the bottom two offenses in the entire NFL.

We'll trade you AP for Brady. Straight up.

Ummm..... no. The whole idea is to have a running game that takes the pressure off the passing game.


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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2013, 01:53:33 PM »
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I laugh whenever people think a college team could beat any nfl team.  The college team would be dominated, by any nfl team, every time.
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2013, 02:27:51 PM »
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I laugh whenever people think a college team could beat any nfl team.  The college team would be dominated, by any nfl team, every time.

I laugh whenever anyone says something like this in response.  ;) At least baseball is willing to try these types of games during Spring Training.  ;D
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2013, 02:37:41 PM »
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I laugh whenever people think a college team could beat any nfl team.  The college team would be dominated, by any nfl team, every time.

I laugh whenever anyone says something like this in response.  ;) At least baseball is willing to try these types of games during Spring Training.  ;D

Hence why baseball is always better than football. :)

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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2013, 06:33:10 PM »
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We will trade you Romo and our 1st and 3rd pick for Brady.
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2013, 08:10:31 PM »
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We will trade you Romo and our 1st and 3rd pick for Brady.

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