Author Topic: NFL Predictions (Read 23630 times)

lightningninja · « **Reply #50 on:** September 29, 2011, 04:48:58 PM »

Quote from: CJSports on September 29, 2011, 11:00:17 AM

Can we talk about the new star in Aaron Rogers. 3-0 for the Packers!!!

New? He's been great since he started on the Packers, but yeah this year he's playing excellently. #1 QB rating! Go Packers!

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #51 on:** September 29, 2011, 05:08:07 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on September 29, 2011, 12:16:29 AM

So then how did he lead the league in that stat with such a low percentage?

You want your interception percentage to be low.

lightningninja · « **Reply #52 on:** September 29, 2011, 05:12:02 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on September 29, 2011, 05:08:07 PM

Quote from: lightningninja on September 29, 2011, 12:16:29 AM
So then how did he lead the league in that stat with such a low percentage?

You want your interception percentage to be low.

So... you were complimenting Brett Favre?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #53 on:** September 29, 2011, 06:50:48 PM »

Not really. I called it an irrelevant and ridiculous stat previously. I only ever brought it up because it was the only stat Favre led the league in that year, contrary to your statements that he had the best stats. Because he didn't. And that was even in a down year for QB stats.

lightningninja · « **Reply #54 on:** September 29, 2011, 06:52:41 PM »

Well if let's say Lebron james had 800 steals, 800 points, and 800 blocks, and another player had 801 steals, and 5 points and blocks, and another player had 801 points... you get the idea. He might not lead the league in anything, but overall he has the best stats.

lp670sv · « **Reply #55 on:** September 29, 2011, 06:57:51 PM »

Peyton Manning has a much better receiving core then Favre had at any point in his career, and for the last few years had to share the offense with some stellar running backs. No he didn't have the best TD to interception ratio but that's kind of what made him great. The willingness to risk it all to win the game. That's what the game is about right? I wish there was a break down of how many of those picks game in the final 2 minutes of games were they were down. I bet it's a lot of them. He was a gun slinger. Not afraid to take chances. Right now, he holds all the records for an NFL Quarterback, it's hard to argue that any QB past or present was better then him, especially the old guys who might not have been as good as they are in today's pass happy (and more importantly Pass defense happy) NFL. They're running completely different offensive and defensive schemes today. Maybe Unitas would've been a bust. Maybe Ryan Leaf would excel. We just don't know these things. As for winning more super bowls I'm sorry last time I checked there were 10 other guys on the offense and 11 on the defense. Winning takes a team. You put peyton manning on the 0-16 Detroit Lions, guess what. He's not making the playoffs.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #56 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:05:49 PM »

Fine, I guess I have to pull out lines since best doesn't need best anymore.

Favre: 531 attempts, 4202 yards, 33 touchdowns, 7 interceptions
Brady: 538 attempts, 4398 yards, 28 touchdowns, 13 interceptions
Manning: 571 attempts, 4500 yards, 33 touchdowns, 16 interceptions
Brees: 514 attempts, 4388 yards, 34 touchdowns, 11 interceptions
Rivers: 486 attempts, 4254 yards, 28 touchdowns, 9 interceptions

So yeah, Favre was one of the better QBs. But he was certainly not "the best" and if he is, it would be incredibly debateable. This is still all assuming you don't hold the fact that he had a way easier time throwing than every other QB on the list because of his incredible running back. To even suggest that this is one of the best statistical lines ever and greatest QB seasons ever is just insulting to the position.

As to this new receivers argument, Sidney Rice is considered a top 10 receiver in the game. AP is the best all around running back in the game. Shiancoe is a top 10 tight end. In his earlier years, Freeman was one of the better receivers. Green was a pro bowl running back.

Let's not pretend that Favre had to polish crap.

lp670sv · « **Reply #57 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:14:27 PM »

And in his prime Manning had Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Anthony Gonzales. It's not that Favre didn't have good receivers but his receiving core is far out-shined by Manning's.

lightningninja · « **Reply #58 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:21:44 PM »

Out of those stats, I'd say only Brees is arguable. Brady had borely more yards, five less touchdowns and a bunch more interceptions, and Manning only barely beat Favre in yards because he had 40 more throws, and still had way more interceptions.

So yeah, I'd say Brett Favre was the best. And after about game five, they were worried about Favre, not Peterson.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #59 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:27:23 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on September 29, 2011, 07:14:27 PM

And in his prime Manning had Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Anthony Gonzales. It's not that Favre didn't have good receivers but his receiving core is far out-shined by Manning's.

Gonzales shouldn't even be in that list. Secondly, Manning's best year was when Clark was only in his second year. He wasn't yet a full time contributor (5 touchdowns, 400some yards). Wayne and Harrison are better than Freeman and Davis, sure.

Quote from: lightningninja on September 29, 2011, 07:21:44 PM

Out of those stats, I'd say only Brees is arguable. Brady had borely more yards, five less touchdowns and a bunch more interceptions, and Manning only barely beat Favre in yards because he had 40 more throws, and still had way more interceptions.

So yeah, I'd say Brett Favre was the best. And after about game five, they were worried about Favre, not Peterson.

Brees clearly had a better year, Rivers arguably had the better year, and the other two are pushes purely on the fact that without them their teams were significantly worse than the Vikings without Brett.

Don't kid yourself. AP carried that team. Favre just got lucky to be the QB.

Drrek · « **Reply #60 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:28:49 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on September 29, 2011, 06:57:51 PM

Peyton Manning has a much better receiving core then Favre had at any point in his career, and for the last few years had to share the offense with some stellar running backs. No he didn't have the best TD to interception ratio but that's kind of what made him great. The willingness to risk it all to win the game. That's what the game is about right? I wish there was a break down of how many of those picks game in the final 2 minutes of games were they were down. I bet it's a lot of them. He was a gun slinger. Not afraid to take chances. Right now, he holds all the records for an NFL Quarterback, it's hard to argue that any QB past or present was better then him, especially the old guys who might not have been as good as they are in today's pass happy (and more importantly Pass defense happy) NFL. They're running completely different offensive and defensive schemes today. Maybe Unitas would've been a bust. Maybe Ryan Leaf would excel. We just don't know these things. As for winning more super bowls I'm sorry last time I checked there were 10 other guys on the offense and 11 on the defense. Winning takes a team. You put peyton manning on the 0-16 Detroit Lions, guess what. He's not making the playoffs.

Even if you can say that Manning has had a better receivers, I don't think Favre was near as important to his team as Manning is to his. I mean look at what happens, Manning goes down and the Colts team has suddenly gone from a playoff team that's a superbowl contender to one of the worst teams in the league. Manning clearly outshines Favre in my mind.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #61 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:32:52 PM »

I agree that Manning outshines Favre. I think when it's said and done Brady will be the best though (which stinks because I really hate him).

Drrek · « **Reply #62 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:37:40 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on September 29, 2011, 07:32:52 PM

I agree that Manning outshines Favre. I think when it's said and done Brady will be the best though (which stinks because I really hate him).

Eh, I'm going to have to go with the same line of logic of Manning is more important to his team. When Manning goes out, the losses pile up, when Brady went out, his team still won double-digit games with Cassel. I feel like the Patriots have a better system that wins even without Brady. I'm not saying Brady is not a great quarterback, but I feel Manning has to carry his team much more than Brady has to carry his, and Manning does it so well.

lightningninja · « **Reply #63 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:38:25 PM »

Are you kidding me? What's the Vikings' record right now?

lp670sv · « **Reply #64 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:39:22 PM »

We don't really know how the teams favre was on would have done without him. Aaron Rodgers was trained to be the starter and was supposed to be the next #1 QB when he took over so that one doesn't really count and considering Favre only missed like what 5 games his whole career and when he went down the former #1 took over again (and they sucked by the way) and had AP to lean on when Favre went down. I think the current state of the colts says just as much if not more about the current state of the colts then about manning. I mean how are you that bad from losing one player? They planned the whole team around him. Even the defense is set up around him, they're set up as a big play, pass stopping, defense because they're used to playing with 20 point leads and the other team has to go for a hail mary on every play. What other team in the NFL does that? Pats lost Brady and a guy who hadn't started since high school stepped in and led them to the playoffs. It's more of a failing on the colts part to realize they are going to be without manning some day then Peyton Manning being a God among men

Drrek · « **Reply #65 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:41:41 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on September 29, 2011, 07:39:22 PM

We don't really know how the teams favre was on would have done without him. Aaron Rodgers was trained to be the starter and was supposed to be the next #1 QB when he took over so that one doesn't really count and considering Favre only missed like what 5 games his whole career and when he went down the former #1 took over again (and they sucked by the way) and had AP to lean on when Favre went down. I think the current state of the colts says just as much if not more about the current state of the colts then about manning. I mean how are you that bad from losing one player? They planned the whole team around him. Even the defense is set up around him, they're set up as a big play, pass stopping, defense because they're used to playing with 20 point leads and the other team has to go for a hail mary on every play. What other team in the NFL does that? Pats lost Brady and a guy who hadn't started since high school stepped in and led them to the playoffs. It's more of a failing on the colts part to realize they are going to be without manning some day then Peyton Manning being a God among men

Going to have to correct you son something there, the season that Brady went out, the Patriots did not make the playoffs.

Quote from: lightningninja on September 29, 2011, 07:38:25 PM

Are you kidding me? What's the Vikings' record right now?

They also had a terrible record when Farve was there last year, so clearly Farve was not carrying his team.

lightningninja · « **Reply #66 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:43:40 PM »

He was like 80 years old though.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #67 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:57:15 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on September 29, 2011, 04:48:58 PM

Quote from: CJSports on September 29, 2011, 11:00:17 AM
Can we talk about the new star in Aaron Rogers. 3-0 for the Packers!!!
New? He's been great since he started on the Packers, but yeah this year he's playing excellently. #1 QB rating! Go Packers!

Since the Packers? Aaron Rodgers was a beast in college at the University of California.

lp670sv · « **Reply #68 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:58:06 PM »

Quote from: Drrek on September 29, 2011, 07:41:41 PM

Going to have to correct you son something there, the season that Brady went out, the Patriots did not make the playoffs.

Okay sorry they were 11-5 which would have been enough to make the playoffs pretty much any other year but the dolphins decided they wanted to be good for a year (and then were promptly eliminated in the wild card for trying to upset the balance of the AFC east) The point is they did pretty good considering they lost their star QB and had to go with a guy who hadn't started since high school. The Patriots also lost Brady during the season so they had no time to prepare, the Colts knew there was a possibility of Manning not playing long before the preseason started and by the last week of the preseason they knew for sure he wasn't going to playing the first few weeks. they had time to prepare and didn't. The organization failed.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #69 on:** September 29, 2011, 08:00:39 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on September 29, 2011, 07:38:25 PM

Are you kidding me? What's the Vikings' record right now?

3-0 if it weren't for a stupid idea called the fourth quarter...

lp670sv · « **Reply #70 on:** September 29, 2011, 08:04:38 PM »

McNabb is also probably one of the worst QBs in the NFL right now. Andy Reid looks like a genius

STAMP · « **Reply #71 on:** September 30, 2011, 01:42:57 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on September 29, 2011, 08:00:39 PM

Quote from: lightningninja on September 29, 2011, 07:38:25 PM
Are you kidding me? What's the Vikings' record right now?

3-0 if it weren't for a stupid idea called the fourth quarter...

They're actually doing worse in the 3rd quarter.

Just saying.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #72 on:** September 30, 2011, 03:04:56 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on September 30, 2011, 01:42:57 PM

Quote from: Professoralstad on September 29, 2011, 08:00:39 PM
Quote from: lightningninja on September 29, 2011, 07:38:25 PM
Are you kidding me? What's the Vikings' record right now?

3-0 if it weren't for a stupid idea called the fourth quarter...

They're actually doing worse in the 3rd quarter.

Just saying.

Yes, but if the game ended after three quarters, the Vikings would have won 3 games by hanging on to a lead despite a rally that fell short by their opponents.

Anyway, carry on. At least we have the Chiefs this weekend. Which means we should put up about 30 points in the first half to the Chiefs' 3, and then hopefully hang on to win 30-28 or so...

Red Wing · « **Reply #73 on:** September 30, 2011, 03:17:41 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on September 30, 2011, 03:04:56 PM

Quote from: STAMP on September 30, 2011, 01:42:57 PM
Quote from: Professoralstad on September 29, 2011, 08:00:39 PM
Quote from: lightningninja on September 29, 2011, 07:38:25 PM
Are you kidding me? What's the Vikings' record right now?

3-0 if it weren't for a stupid idea called the fourth quarter...

They're actually doing worse in the 3rd quarter.

Just saying.

Yes, but if the game ended after three quarters, the Vikings would have won 3 games by hanging on to a lead despite a rally that fell short by their opponents.

Anyway, carry on. At least we have the Chiefs this weekend. Which means we should put up about 30 points in the first half to the Chiefs' 3, and then hopefully hang on to win 30-28 or so...

Unless Tamba Hali has a field day with Donovan Mccnab...

cookie monster · « **Reply #74 on:** October 01, 2011, 02:39:41 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on September 29, 2011, 07:32:52 PM

I agree that Manning outshines Favre. I think when it's said and done Brady will be the best though (which stinks because I really hate him).

You forget, Farve broke almost every record a QB can brake (and almost every bone), Including the most games started in a row (which makes me wonder how he could brake every bone and still play?). But Manning could never do that.

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