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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Sports => Topic started by: Captain Kirk on June 15, 2011, 10:51:36 PM
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The league is up and running. Check your emails for a link and your password. You can go on the new site and change your team name, logo, etc.
http://www8.myfantasyleague.com/2011/home/60600 (http://www8.myfantasyleague.com/2011/home/60600)
Now to determine draft timess for each conference. I will go ahead and put the Alpha draft time for Aug 20 at 9 pm EST as I heard no objections to that and y'all can just let me know if that does not work.
Beta needs to have more than 1 person chime in that could make a live draft or I will pick a time and y'all can chime in.
2 Conferences: Alpha and Beta
This league will run similar to the EPL or other foreign soccer leagues with relegation and promotion at the end of each season. At the end of each season, the top 3 teams from Beta will rotate up to Alpha and the bottom 3 teams from Alpha will drop to Beta.
Conference Alpha and Conference Beta will operate independently of each other for the duration of each season.
Examples:
- Each player (e.g. Tom Brady) can be on one team in Alpha and one team in Beta.
- You only trade with teams in your conference.
- You square off against your own conference for your own conference title.
- 2 separate drafts.
Playoffs Weeks 15 and 16
Waivers following each week
Every week after games finish on the weekend, teams can submit requests to pick up available players. However, compared to past years where it was based on who logged online first, this year all free agents are put on the 'waiver wire' again over the weekend's games to allow for more equitable distribution of free agent pick-ups.
Thanks,
Kirk
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I will keep track of interested teams for this coming year in this post.
20 teams (so far)
- Captain Kirk (JBU Golden Eagles)
- Red Dragon Thorn (Red Dragon Tribe)
- crustpope (crustpopes Colts)
- JM (Falmouth Floggers)
- Alex Olijar (Bucklers to the max!)
- Sean (Fire Boy)
- Ron77s (Orange Demons)
- Stamp (49ers)
- ejberkenpas22 (The Resistence)
- uthminister (Sixburgh Steelers)
- alpal455
- M&K Raiders
- Bay State Titans
- soul seeker (Last Place Losers)
- Crashfach2002
- adotson85
- Ken4Christ4ever
- Hedgehogman
- Grant Dennison
- sk
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Kirk,
Thanks for running this each year.
I'm a big fan of two leagues. I also like the idea of past performance determining initial leagues, then doing it ala European Soccer, where the various teams move up or down. I'm on the fence on week 17 playoffs, I don't think I'm a fan though.
Also, for any interested, last year I ran a Auction style draft, I announced really late so we only had 6 teams, and most didn't do a whole lot during the season, but I'm totally up for running it again this year.
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I think 2 leagues, 20 teams was way to much last year.
I dont like playing on week 17 because anyone who has a place secured will likely rest and that will place people in a mad scramble to trade for players after the trading deadline. the waiver wire will go crazy.
oh and put me down for playing this year!
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I'll play again. I like the two tiers based on performance, gives you something to shoot for/maintain. Not really in favor of playing Week 17 for the reasons already stated.
RDT, that auction was pretty fun, so I'll probably do that if you decide to run it again.
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I support all three leagues and would play again.
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I would be interested in a 16 or less team league. Thanks, Kirk.
I'm not in favor of week 17.
If we make 2 leagues, wouldn't having 10 teams per league make sense since there were 20 teams in one league last year? (keeping in mind that 10 team leagues usually have plenty of talent to choose from)
For splitting people up, assuming we get everyone from last year back, I would like to see the ranking split so that the top two are in different leagues, 3 and 4 are in different leagues, 5 and 6 are in different leagues, etc... That way the successful teams will be mixed in with the unsuccessful teams.
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Hi Kirk,
Would like to play again this year, will go either way on a week 17.
Ron
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I'm game for any and all leagues again this year. I've already renewed leagues for which I am commissioner so some of you may have received emails.
As for the week 17, I go back and forth on the idea. HOWEVER, if we lose any weeks to the lockout, then I say we definitely do the final week of the regular season regardless of teams resting players because I'm going to want as much fantasy NFL action as possible.
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I am interested in playing as well. Was not a fan of the 20 team league even though I think I won it. I would like to see the league split up into 2 divisions based on past performance.
Eric B
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Thanks from the input from everyone so far.
Are there any others that hold to the opinion that the top teams should be split between 2 leagues?
Kirk
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I agree with the division based on past performance system.
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I also have always hated having playoffs on week 17. Its always a scrub fest match up and like 75% luck if you win. Very anti-climactic. Week 16 is much more exciting.
Eric
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I am up for the two leagues based on rank from the previous season. I am not up for the extended season. I also want a 50% cut on all merchandise and concessions you get through the fantasy football league...otherwise I and the other owners are not playing this year. :o
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I am up for the two leagues based on rank from the previous season. I am not up for the extended season. I also want a 50% cut on all merchandise and concessions you get through the fantasy football league...otherwise I and the other owners are not playing this year. :o
Yeah, what he said...
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I would play again this year and I think having 2, 14 league teams is a good idea.
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Who else wants to play this year? I will come up with a system to determine rankings (looking at how soccer does it to devise a system). It would be great to have a better idea of how many people want to play this year to see if we need 2 leagues, as I imagine we will.
Kirk
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I know more people want to play. :) Step right up!
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I guess I'll reiterate that I am interested this year ;)
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Haha thanks John!
15 teams in for this year so far. It would be sweet if we could get at least 1 more so we could put an even 8 and 8 in each league to begin with and then go from there.
I will set up the parameters soon and post the details.
Kirk
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In light of the current lockout, this thread's title is quite ironic.
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We are up to 16 teams now. Perfect for starting the split league! More are still definitely welcome.
Move from Yahoo to MyFantasyLeague
I am in favor of moving our league to MyFantasyLeague.com (I will pay the cost for it) from the free Yahoo fantasy site. With our league branching into 2 with a system to use historic performance to dictate if you play in league A or B, I believe it will make things more fun for everyone to see what is going on with the rest of the teams in the opposite league and keep it all under one house instead of having to create 2 Yahoo leagues.
- I can set it up with 2 conferences, with one conference hosting league A and the other hosting league B.
- I can allow 1 team in each conference to have the ability to have a certain player. So Team A in League A can have Adrian Peterson and Team Z in League B can have Adrian Peterson as well.
- I can allow teams to only trade with teams in their conferences. *EDIT*
- I can set up 2 playoff brackets at the end of the year to determine the 2 winners.
- I can set up so many more countless custom options, including allowing teams to trade future draft picks for players, for example.
Let me know your thoughts.
There are so so many countless fun options we could employ but I don't know how much we want to change it up in one year, haha.
League A and League B Teams
Also, I have completed my initial calculations to determine who starts off in League A and who starts in League B. I am waiting to hear back if a few other previous managers are wanting to play with us again. If so, I will have potentially re-evaluate between a couple teams as far as who starts where.
For those of you wondering how I calculated who starts in which league, I calculated the average finish of each team for however many years that team has been a part of the league over the past 4 years. Based on how many teams sign up to play this year, the top half of the teams will start in League A and the other half will start in League B. Then in future years, the bottom 3 teams from League A will switch leagues with the top 3 teams from League B (The 3 team number can be played with, just my initial thought on the matter). I consulted relegation and promotion guidelines followed by the major soccer leagues in the world to come up with that number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promotion_and_relegation).
With the constant promotion and relegation each season, it will hopefully keep managers interested in staying active through the end of the season; even if they are out of the playoff hunt, teams will be fighting to remain in the top League for a chance to compete for the top crown the following season.
I am open to all feedback or suggestions. Moving to the new website will allow so much more customization and will make things easier if certain managers (*cough Jonathan Greeson*) forget their password. ;) Definitely ask your Redemption friends if they want to play with us because it is easier to get it all set up for a draft if players are on board very soon.
Kirk
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I am fine with moving but dont think you should bear the cost on your own. perhaps a small fee to play might be in order? the new site sounds like it has plenty of benefits!
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I am very hesitant to agree to a move from yahoo. I love yahoo leagues and hated any time I played in a league that was not yahoo. All the features sound cool but I am just very hesitant. If everyone else is okay with it though I am willing to try something new.
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Matt,
I thought the cost would be more at first but it looks like it only $45, so it isn't very much.
Eric,
I would agree that I really like Yahoo. The difficulty lies in having 2 leagues. We can do it as 2 separate Yahoo leagues, but then we need a 2nd person in the other league to act as the commissioner and if that person moves up to the top league the following year, then someone else would need to be the commissioner.
This doesn't matter quite as much, but with there being 2 leagues on Yahoo, it will be a little trickier to view the league history with teams moving from one league to the other. We can keep track of that on here though, so that isn't a big deal.
I am fine for leaving the status quo, but we would need someone to step up to be the 2nd commissioner. From who it looks like will be in the 2nd league, would someone such as Alex Olijar, John Earley, or Travis Brown be interested in doing so? I want to hear more thoughts, keep them coming!
Kirk
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I like Yahoo, too, but would like to try out the new site. It sounds like it has some good features. I'd also be willing to toss in a few bucks towards the fee.
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I'm all for a move since it will make the year to year comparisons, etc easier, however I'm more than willing to man the second league for the initial year if we decide to stick with Yahoo.
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Y'all are more than welcome to check out what the new site has to offer. It has won numerous awards as one of the top fantasy football websites.
Go to our league (so far)
http://www8.myfantasyleague.com/2011/home/60600
Choose to log in as Franchise 1 and enter password: redemption2011
You can play around with it and look at player stats and different options. If we play on this site, I can also choose to replace managers partway through the season if someone were to want to drop out or not check their team after the draft, which always happens to at least 1 or 2 managers each year.
It also appears that I can literally change most anything about the league, regarding rules, stat categories, appearance, how stats are listed on various pages, links to other websites, how the home page shows up, put complex rules on transactions or setting rosters, allow everyone to see how everyone else voted on trades, etc. So if you think of something cool to implement, let me know.
Kirk
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I like the new site myself.
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Forget Yahoo and their long server response times. Me likey the new site a lot! Let's do it! And if it's a success I'll be willing to transition my Yahoo leagues over to the new site.
:thumbup:
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I haven't looked at the new site but it sounds like a good fit because of the year-to-year ease of use. I am wondering what we get for the money and if it is worth it though. Would there be a prize for the winners because it was a pay-for site or are we just paying for the servers?
As an aside, I prefer ESPN over Yahoo! by a very large margin.
Also, I wouldn't be able to contribute if the need would arise. I cannot justify paying for something when there are free options AND it is just for fun.
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Sean,
You bring up good points. I am not aware of any prize money that comes out of the league fee. We are mainly paying for the servers and the customization and flexibility.
I am not asking anyone to contribute money, please don't take that to be the case. I have always loved playing free fantasy football and I understand that many, if not all, of the players in this league are looking to play for free. I just want to make our fantasy football experience more enjoyable and as the commissioner, I view it as my privilege to provide us with a potentially better option to meet our fantasy football desires. I am not trying to guilt trip anyone into helping pay for it, so please play as usual and leave the cost up to me. If I didn't have the money to cover it without assistance I wouldn't have suggested the move to a paid site so openly. Plus, I view it as a small way to give back as a token of thanks for all the acts of kindness each of you has shown me. :)
I am waiting to hear from more players before I commit to the new site. Also I am waiting on hearing back from a couple more previous managers as I don't want to stick someone in the top league only to have to move them down to the other league 2 days later... If anyone wants to join the league on August 1 or beyond, they will automatically start in the bottom league, regardless of past performance. They have had plenty of time to convey interest to play again.
Kirk
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I am definitely interested in playing with you guys. :D I don't mind paying a bit of money, either. I am hardcore about fantasy football and I do take it seriously, so if you're still looking for players, I'm your man. You can send an invite to jernst85 at gmail dot com.
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Sweet Josh, will shoot you an invite at the end of the week when I have the league finalized! Looking forward to having you on board. 8)
Kirk
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I just saw this thread. Is this open to people who have never played fantasy football before, don't follow football closely, and have frequently wondered what it's all about? If so, I'd be interested in joining. :)
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I just saw this thread. Is this open to people who have never played fantasy football before, don't follow football closely, and have frequently wondered what it's all about? If so, I'd be interested in joining. :)
Well, they let me in 3 years ago, and they have kept me...so....I assume the answer is yes. However, Kirk is the commissioner and is final word.
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...don't follow football closely, and have frequently wondered what it's all about?
Two teams of wealthy, genetically-enhanced men kicking and throwing an egg-shaped leather ball, trying to injure each other while someone else keeps score.
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I just saw this thread. Is this open to people who have never played fantasy football before, don't follow football closely, and have frequently wondered what it's all about? If so, I'd be interested in joining. :)
Ken,
We would love to have you join us. I can walk you through the basics and could either outline it on here or meet you in person and tell you when I come to your house! :)
Kirk
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Definitely in favor of switching to the new site - I've always been kinda lukewarm towards Yahoo, and the potential at this site looks fairly impressive.
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Alright I went ahead and purchased the league. I will work to finalize setting up in the league over the next few days. I start a new job on Monday and work in the evenings on getting stuff set up and then send out the invites.
I am game for a Saturday draft, not sure what y'all want. How about August 20th at 3 pm CST? Throw out other dates/times if you so desire! We can have a draft for each subleague at different times as well.
On another note, I would love it if 1 more person stepped up to play so we can have 9 teams in each league instead of 8 and 9 or we could do 8 and 10.
Kirk
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I think I would prefer a Saturday evening draft rather than an afternoon draft. However, I don't know about my exact schedule so I could also be able to make the afternoon draft.
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Sat. Evening is much better for me as well, I almost always work until 6PM CST. I could possibly ask to work a shorter shift if we do an afternoon draft, but would perfer not too.
Also, Kirk, You've got a PM.
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[start of ignorant questions] What is this draft thing? It sounds like it's something that's live... I don't know that I would be able to do anything that is live at a scheduled time on a weekend. Is there anyway that mine could be random or something if I can't do it? Otherwise maybe I should step out and then watch and figure out what you guys are doing this year!
Ken
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I have church on Saturday evenings, so a draft then really wouldn't work for me. Friday evenings or Sunday evenings work out best for me, although I'm available most weeknights too.
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Okay I will nail down who is in each half of league first and then I will set up draft times for each half.
I am still waiting to see if we can get 1 more manager aboard so I can set up the divisions and schedule and email out invites. Otherwise, with an odd number of teams, we will have a weird schedule with byes.
Anyone know any other Redemption players that would want to join in?
Ken,
In fantasy football, managers pick actual NFL players to be on their virtual fantasy teams. These managers are rewarded for how well "their players" perform for their respective NFL teams in their weekly games. Managers accrue points for how their players do (i.e. a touchdown is worth 6 points). You face off against another manager and his fantasy squad each week and whoever has the most points wins. The draft is held live but you can prerank your players to be automatically drafted for you if you are not there. For example, you could leave the default rankings that are in place or you could set up your own ranking system.
Kirk
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Kirk,
Thanks for the explanation. :)
Ken
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Hey Guys,
I renewed the Auction style league for this year
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/redemptionauction (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/redemptionauction)
Password (if you need it) = Thad-rad
If you happen to need the League ID its: 373570
Last year we ran it with 6, I'd like to get a more decent showing this year :)
John.
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Any updates on your league, Kirk?
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League is up and running, check your emails for passwords and links to the site. Time to set up draft times for each 'conference.'
Kirk
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Nice! Already done!
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Okay, so I went in and am trying to figure out how to pre-rank players for the draft. I put people in the "Round 1 Pre-Draft Picks" area. Is that what I'm supposed to do? If so, how many should I have in there, and do I need them in "Round 2 Pre-Draft Picks", etc.?
Thanks!
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Thanks Kirk! Looks great. :)
One question; these are two separate leagues, right? We're not really playing one league with 20 teams are we? XD
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Ken,
You generally want to prerank enough players to compensate for 16 rounds with 10 picks in each rounds (160 players total). Otherwise, if you run out of preranked players, you will automatically draft the highest ranked player available (defined by the website) in a position you still need filled. An easy way to do that if you don't want to spend a whole lot of time ranking yourself would be to sort by ADP (average draft position) and click on Arian Foster and then scroll down until you find Kyle Orton and press Shift and then click on his name. Then you can add all of those players to your list. Then you can proceed to manually move some of them up and down based on your personal preferences and remove others from the list you would not like to draft (such as Randy Moss, who has retired).
Josh,
It is 2 leagues, just hosted on the same page.
I will post what I updated the first post in this topic here to make it more easy to see.
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The league is up and running. Check your emails for a link and your password. You can go on the new site and change your team name, logo, etc.
http://www8.myfantasyleague.com/2011/home/60600
Drafts
Now to determine draft timess for each conference.
I will go ahead and put the Alpha draft time for Aug 20 at 9 pm EST as I heard no objections to that and y'all can just let me know if that does not work.
I made a poll for Beta's draft time.
2 Conferences: Alpha and Beta
This league will run similar to the EPL or other foreign soccer leagues with relegation and promotion at the end of each season. At the end of each season, the top 3 teams from Beta will rotate up to Alpha and the bottom 3 teams from Alpha will drop to Beta.
Conference Alpha and Conference Beta will operate independently of each other for the duration of each season.
Examples:
- Each player (e.g. Tom Brady) can be on one team in Alpha and one team in Beta.
- You only trade with teams in your conference.
- You square off against your own conference for your own conference title.
- 2 separate drafts.
Playoffs Weeks 15 and 16
Waivers following each week
Every week after games finish on the weekend, teams can submit requests to pick up available players. However, compared to past years where it was based on who logged online first, this year all free agents are put on the 'waiver wire' again over the weekend's games to allow for more equitable distribution of free agent pick-ups.
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Thanks, Kirk. This should be fun. :)
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Never received an email - scottstamp@yahoo.com
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Scott,
I sent another email from the league to you and a personal email from my kirk.dennison@gmail.com account. If you could check your spam folder and let me know if the first one showed up there that would be cool.
Maybe that is why a number of managers haven't joined yet?
To that effect I sent out personal emails to everyone who hasn't joined yet.
Kirk
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I got your emails, but I haven't had time to join while I am at Nats. Thanks. I will join soon. The draft time you said was fine.
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Is there any place I can find the scoring rules? I looked at every link on the league page and came up with nothing. :P
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Is there any place I can find the scoring rules? I looked at every link on the league page and came up with nothing. :P
Up at the very top of the home page are several drop down menus. Hover your mouse over "Reports", then move down to "Rules", and then select "League Scoring". Impressively well-hidden for a fairly important page.
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Thanks. That was ridiculously well hidden lol.
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So...does each league of 10 teams draft from the whole pool of players separately? Or do we all 20 collectively draft from the same pool like previous years? Also, how the heck do you draft? haha
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Kirk,
ESPN doesn't allow a league manager to not have a team. However, it is possible for one team to have more than one manager so you could be league manager in two leagues and then have a second owner in whichever league that you are not "active" in each season. It would be a little annoying to change people around each season but it is a simple process of invitation and deletion of owners to make it so that the right people are in Alpha and Beta each year if we decided to use ESPN. ESPN leagues carry over from year to year even if they aren't keeper leagues as well.
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Sean,
Thanks for the heads up. Definitely worth mulling over this season. The 2nd draft was alot smoother than the 1st one. Hard to figure out how to make the league feel unified while being split at the same time and keep records centralized going forward instead of having to track them on anothe site. It may come down to a vote for next year.
Kirk
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I have no idea what happened with my draft. The only draft choices I had any say in were the ones that I placed on my pre-draft list. I had deleted it before the draft thought because you wanted us to all get rid of our draft lists for some reason. SO when my first two picks came and went and I didnt even realize it I had to keep rushing back to the list to add players I wanted. but it was complicated by the fact that many of my players I wanted had already been taken.
Finally I just gave up and let the computer draft. I dont know whether I was doing something wrong or what. I was in the page where it showed the draft order and I didnt know anything was wrong until I decided to refresh the page and saw that we had already gone through one complete cycle and I got skipped. I mean my drafts weren't bad (except that the computer REALLY like WR because I got like 6 of them) but all told I didnt have a good time and was pretty frustrated.
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I have no idea what happened with my draft. The only draft choices I had any say in were the ones that I placed on my pre-draft list. I had deleted it before the draft thought because you wanted us to all get rid of our draft lists for some reason. SO when my first two picks came and went and I didnt even realize it I had to keep rushing back to the list to add players I wanted. but it was complicated by the fact that many of my players I wanted had already been taken.
Finally I just gave up and let the computer draft. I dont know whether I was doing something wrong or what. I was in the page where it showed the draft order and I didnt know anything was wrong until I decided to refresh the page and saw that we had already gone through one complete cycle and I got skipped. I mean my drafts weren't bad (except that the computer REALLY like WR because I got like 6 of them) but all told I didnt have a good time and was pretty frustrated.
Matt,
I am sorry for your frustrations during the draft. It was nowhere near as smooth as the Yahoo drafting system. However, I do not recall asking anyone to get rid of their draft list.
I apologize that the draft was not a pleasant experience for you. I wish it went better for all of us.
As far as trying to make an informed decision about where to host the league next year, I want to know if our problems were the result of an isolated case of a bad draft or a larger issue. Would you mind trying to join a Mock Draft on the myfantasyleague.com website to see if the drafting system will work properly on your system this time around? You can navigate to one as follows:
- Mouse over "My Leagues" (top center of any page)
- Click "Join a Mock Draft"
- Enter a team name (e.g. Test) and your email address
- Choose a drafting position on the next available draft.
- Click "Enter Draft"
Try to select a player and press the draft button. I am interested to know if the system will work for you properly a second time.
Kirk
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I was probably the one who said to get rid of your lists. If so, I apologize if it messed up your draft. But I read up on the rules of drafting and didn't like how the pre-draft lst works during a draft. It's not the same as Yahoo. If you have someone on your pre-draft list that is available when it is your turn to draft, that player gets drafted right away no matter what. If you decide that you want to change your mind it's too bad. You'd have to remove everyone that is still available on your pre-draft list. In Yahoo it only uses your pre-draft ranking if you don't pick someone by the time the timer expires. That's a huge difference in my book.
As for the draft, once I got used to the user interface I didn't have any problems. Yes, there were a few blips but the refresh always worked for me. I want to see how this portal works for the whole season before I make a judgement. The week-to-week part may be out of this world good compared to Yahoo. But I want a chance to see. We can all rate it at the end of the season.
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i dont keep up with fantisy football i just hear about whats goin on and i criticize it wether it good or bad beats me