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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Sports => Topic started by: Red Wing on December 10, 2011, 10:06:02 PM
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Robert Griffin III! Baylor's 1st Heisman :o.
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Andrew Luck finishes 2nd for the second year in a row....he has got to be so mad
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Andrew Luck finishes 2nd for the second year in a row....he has got to be so mad
Guess he doesn't have....
....much Luck
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Andrew Luck finishes 2nd for the second year in a row....he has got to be so mad
Still, he'll probably get drafted in the 1st round, maybe even before RG3.
Andrew Luck finishes 2nd for the second year in a row....he has got to be so mad
Guess he doesn't have....
....much Luck
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lol :rollin:
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That's not even a debate. Andrew Luck is the #1 overall pick in next years draft, the Heisman determines the best player in college football (thats debatable) not the most NFL ready. I don't eve expect RGIII to go in the top ten, nothing against him but he played in a spread option system that doesn't translate well to the NFL it'll take a couple years for him to be ready to play at that level, Luck has been in a pro style offense since high school. There's a reason the moto of bad NFL teams all year has been "suck for luck"
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Winner: Darksouls.
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That's not even a debate. Andrew Luck is the #1 overall pick in next years draft, the Heisman determines the best player in college football (thats debatable) not the most NFL ready. I don't eve expect RGIII to go in the top ten, nothing against him but he played in a spread option system that doesn't translate well to the NFL it'll take a couple years for him to be ready to play at that level, Luck has been in a pro style offense since high school. There's a reason the moto of bad NFL teams all year has been "suck for luck"
Tebow. Newton.
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Newton has adjusted well. Tebow is a horrendous passer who keeps getting bailed out by his defense
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Newton has adjusted well. Tebow is a horrendous passer who keeps getting bailed out by his defense
If you watch the MN game, he clearly has the arm. He's being held back.
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He can make enough throws to be competitive. Pro style offenses are bologna. Many good athletes that can throw the ball don't get a chance because of the proprietary opinions of NFL execs/coaches who refuse to adapt their systems to the skill sets of strong athletes. They instead just get average ahtletes who fit their mold. I think it's nice that one of those athletes is finally getting a chance and having success.
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It won't last, the last game was the only one that wasn't directly a result of the defense bailing tebows skill set out, and even in that game they had a pick 6 and the interception that set up the game winning field goal. I agree with you on your point, and if Tebow could hit the broad side of a barn I'd agree with you but I've seen him throw too many balls in to the dirt on out routes to believe he's going to be anything.
I'm also not saying RGIII isn't going to be a good nfl player, he can throw and will adjust but as the #1 overall pick you want a player that's ready to start in the NFL right now and Luck is the only one of the top 3 (unless Barkley comes out which I hope he doesn't) that is ready for that right out of the gate
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It won't last, the last game was the only one that wasn't directly a result of the defense bailing tebows skill set out, and even in that game they had a pick 6 and the interception that set up the game winning field goal. I agree with you on your point, and if Tebow could hit the broad side of a barn I'd agree with you but I've seen him throw too many balls in to the dirt on out routes to believe he's going to be anything.
I'm also not saying RGIII isn't going to be a good nfl player, he can throw and will adjust but as the #1 overall pick you want a player that's ready to start in the NFL right now and Luck is the only one of the top 3 (unless Barkley comes out which I hope he doesn't) that is ready for that right out of the gate
Totally agree. If you look at some of the best NFL QBs like the Manning bros, Troy Aikman, Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Brees, ect., they are all pass first players. It'll be interesting to see if RG3 can do well in the NFL however.
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Even the running QBs in the NFL like Vick still have accuracy, Tebow doesn't and that and his throwing motion are why he won't succeed as a quarterback except as a wildcat/option play guy but as far as being an every down guy I don't see it happening
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LOL at Tebow haters who wish their team could win like the Broncos.... ;)
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LOL at Tebow haters who wish their team could win like the Broncos.... ;)
I wish I had the Broncos defense I will concede that. Any defense allowing less than 20 points a game (since tebow took over) is pretty awesome in my opinion.
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Even the running QBs in the NFL like Vick still have accuracy, Tebow doesn't and that and his throwing motion are why he won't succeed as a quarterback except as a wildcat/option play guy but as far as being an every down guy I don't see it happening
Vick consistantly throws under 55% accuracy. He was at 46% his first season. Tebow threw at 50% his first season and is at 48.7% for his career through 19 G, 10 GS. That's a statistically insignificant difference.
When you factor in INT, Tebow is probably/definately superior.
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LOL at Tebow haters who wish their team could win like the Broncos.... ;)
I wish I had the Broncos defense I will concede that. Any defense allowing less than 20 points a game (since tebow took over) is pretty awesome in my opinion.
No one questions the Denver defense's dominance lately, but without an offense, they would still lose a little less than 20-0 each game (according to your data). Today they would have lost 10-0 without Tebow's leadership (note that I did not say Tebow's awesome arm).
Frankly, I think Tebow has given the defense a reason to "believe," and thus rise to the occasion. They were giving up a fair share of points when Orton was scoring early in the year. I think they simply have come to the conclusion that if if they can keep the game close, then they will win. That motivates them through the first three quarters when Tebow is doing hardly anything on offense. They keep fighting because they know they just have to keep the game within two touchdowns entering the fourth quarter, and then Tebow will suddenly come to life.
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You seem to be assuming that without Tim Tebow, the Denver offense is incapable of scoring a single point despite the fact that they average more offensive points per game with Kyle Orton under center.
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You seem to be assuming that without Tim Tebow, the Denver offense is incapable of scoring a single point despite the fact that they average more offensive points per game with Kyle Orton under center.
This is a really loaded statement.
1. Tebow has twice scored more than 24 points (which was Orton's high). If you want to go ahead and dispute this by breaking down Tebow's direct points vs. Orton's direct points, go for it, but the facts say the Broncos score more with Tebow at Quarterback for whatever reason.
2. This statement assumes scoring more OPPG is in correlation to winning. If your statement is true (I didn't fact check it), your implied reasoning is wrong (seeing as Tebow would have less OPPG but more wins).
3. You are attempting to quantify leadership. It's just unquantifiable. Statistically, Orton is a better passer, sure, but a Quarterback isn't a passer. A Quarterback is a leader on offense. Tebow is a leader like it or not.
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You seem to be assuming that without Tim Tebow, the Denver offense is incapable of scoring a single point despite the fact that they average more offensive points per game with Kyle Orton under center.
...and they were 1-4 with all of Orton's scoring.
Like it or not, the team wins with Tebow at the helm. If you spent less time hatin' on the guy, you would learn to appreciate him as the leader he has proven himself to be (in the pros as much as he was in college).
Do Denver fans really hate the fact that he has an awkward throwing motion (as if Tebow was the first ??? ) or completes a low percentage of passes? Rather, I think that Denver fans appreciate his record and his lack of turnovers. More importantly, I think they love the fact that he rises to the occasion when it matters most.
The bottom line always comes back to his outspoken faith. People want him to fail so that he will stop talking about Jesus. I say, "Preach it, brother!" ;D
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Denver fans appreciate that the guy was a winner in college and loved the guy before they had any reason too because thats the only thing he's good for. You're argument doesn't make sense, the only thing a Quarterback can control is the offense Kyle Orton is a better Quarterback than Tim Tebow, the young players on the Denver defense have done an excellent job and that is why they've won games. He's a fantastic leader, but it's not going to last. He's been getting incredibly lucky, he got the Raiders the week that Palmer came back and had no chemistry with his receivers (he literally came in off the couch so don't try to tell me that's not why he didn't play well considering what he's done since) He got the chargers in the middle of a 7 game losing streak, the defense had as many points as tebow did, the vikings without adrian peterson and the bears without Cutler or Forte. One of my friends put it best. The NFL waters are being parted for Tim Tebow, he is the luckiest man on in the nfl.
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So you're beginning to believe, too! :o
Is it Tebow Time or Divine Intervention? Your argument is that it is not Tebow Time ..... ;)
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My argument is that he is getting incredibly lucky and getting the credit for the rest of his team bailing out his horrendous throwing ability
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My argument is that he is getting incredibly lucky and getting the credit for the rest of his team bailing out his horrendous throwing ability
And I statistically showed you he isn't any different from Vick in the beginning who you called and accurate running quarterback and then you didn't address it.
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Everything below is copy pasted from another forum because I'm not typing this crap out again.
You can put these wins on Tebow all you want, but if the defense had been playing as well as they have been the past couple weeks when Orton was in, the Broncos would have won 3 of the 4 games that he lost, not counting the San Diego game because Tim scored half the points so can't really tell if they would have topped the average points allowed in Tebow wins.
So no one thinks I'm making up my numbers.
In Tebow's 5 wins the defense has allowed an average of 15 points per game.
Kyle Orton's offense scored 20, 23, 24 and 14 points in his 4 loses.
Tim Tebow's offense has averaged 18 ppg
Orton's Defense allowed 28 ppg.
Kyle Orton with tebow caliber Defense 3-1, 4-1 if he can get one more TD in the San Diego game after he was pulled.
Even if you count the blow out lose to Detroit in to the Defenses average points allowed, it comes to 20 ppg. making Orton's record with that defense 2-1-1 not counting San Diego again because we don't know how many points Orton would have scored after he got pulled.
2 of Orton's loses were at home, where he was getting booed and chanted to the bench on every play.
Tebow's offense would have lost all but 1 of the first 5 games.
Orton completed 58.7% of his passes for a little over 979 yards 8 TDs 7 INTs, half of which were throw trying to lead comebacks which would not have needed to be led if the Defense plays that well.
Tebow is completing 45.5% of his passes for 852 passing yards 8 TDs 1 INT + 70 rush yards per game and 3 rushing TDs
in total Kyle Orton averaged 218 YPG 58.7% of his passes 1.8 TDs per game 1.4 picks (this includes the garbage time picks)
in total Tim Tebow averages 201 YPG 45.5% of his passes 1.7 total TDs per game .2 Picks
so the only category Orton isn't better than tebow is interception, there's no way of actually knowing how many garbage time picks wouldn't have been thrown if they weren't losing at the time so that number would be lower but I can't say how much.
Halfbacks averaged 108 ypg under Orton and and scored 1 TD in 4.5 games
Halfbacks averaged 138 ypg under Tebow and scored 2 TDs in 6.5 games (no this doesn't include Tebow's rush yards, i took those out of the team total)
To sum up, Orton better, Defense and running game didn't play as well
Tebow not a good QB, good rusher, Defense playing lights out, running game doing great other than him as well
But no really, all hail Tim Tebow
Additionally he has broken the 200 yard mark just twice this season, one of which took over 40 attempts. Why is this relevant? because here's the NFL QBs who averaged less than 200 yards last year
David Garrard with 195
Jason Campbell with 183
Brett Favre with 193
Derek Anderson with 192
Jimmy Clausen with 113
Colt McCoy with 192
None of their teams finished better than 8-8
Only 2 of those QBs are still starting, though Campbell is no longer with Palmer being picked up. So you're left with McCoy. Whose is passing for 212 ypg this year.
He's winning now for one reason: the option. NFL teams don't run the option so defenses aren't used to seeing it. Just like when the wildcat was first introduced, they are seeing success with it. It won't take that long for D coordinators to learn how to game plan for it. When they do it'll come down to tebows arm, which is dreadful.
I look forward to the day when I can look back fondly at the tebow era and laugh that anyone thought this guy would be successful.
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So your hatred carries over throughout your life into other forums. How pathetic.
P.S. Watch the language in this forum.
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sorry like i said, t was copy pasted. and no the conversation started on that forum in a sports discussion board and I didn't feel like rehashing any of that information here. Oh and thanks for that, I thought we were having a discussion related to sports but apparently having an opinion about something makes me pathetic. I will keep that in mind.
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So your hatred carries over throughout your life into other forums. How pathetic.
P.S. Watch the language in this forum.
I didn't actually read the rest of the thread, but I'm going to go ahead and say this is actually really, really [uncharacteristic] of you, YMT. I'm not aiming for a confrontation or anything of that nature, but I'm actually kind of shocked you'd jump straight for words like "pathetic".
[decided to keep the flames down in this thread by editing that for you, since it was ironic for you to criticize jumping straight to an inflammatory word by using one yourself]
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I don't have a ton of statistics to back me up, but I just want to throw out one stat that hasn't seemed to have come up yet, and that is time of possession. It seems logical to me that a QB who runs more will increase the time that the offense is on the field by stopping the clock less. That means that the opponent will have less time for their offense to be on the field overall for the game. This might also contribute to the lower ppg average of opponent's since Tebow has taken over. The longer breaks might also give the defense more of a chance to rest, which could also be helping their level of play.
Just a couple other intangibles that Tebow might be adding to the Broncos overall :)
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Oh and thanks for that, I thought we were having a discussion related to sports but apparently having an opinion about something makes me pathetic. I will keep that in mind.
There is having an opinion, and then there is having passion. The only thing that I have seen from Tebow haters is passion. That passion can't possibly be from his numbers. If you look at your statistics between Orton and Tebow, the differences are negligible when you consider that one was 1-4 and the other 6-1. Instead, the passion comes from hating what he stands for. If Tebow were not so passionate about his faith, then his haters would not be so passionate.
Therein lies the true issue of Tebow haters... lack of faith. As a Christian, I can understand the power of faith. Faith changed my life, right to the very core. Faith can help me do things that I never thought possible. Faith produces results in areas of my life that I never had any results in before.
For those who lack faith, there is no way to comprehend its power. Denver's defenseive players play better now than they did under Orton (and better than they first did under Tebow) because they are starting to gain faith. Granted, it is not the same faith that I have, or that Tebow has. But, faith accomplishes change in a person's life regardless.
Your lack of faith is what makes you short-sighted in this case, through no fault of your own. I do find that pathetic, although not in the sense the word makes it seem. I apologize for making it sound like you have "no life," since that is the connotation that "pathetic" seems to have carried in this case. What I meant was that I feel sympathy toward you since you do not see what I see. You are blinded by hatred, not for Tebow directly, but for the faith he professes and produces in others. Even my use of the word "hatred" may seem overly "uncharacteristic," but ultimately I believe that Tebow bashers are really resisting faith. It is the length that some will go to resist faith that demonstrates hatred for it (in my opinion).
If you search for them, you will find plenty of numbers that will make Tebow look horrific. I just don't understand the passion to find those numbers in the first place. Tebow is 6-1 as a starter, and has 11 passing TDs versus only 2 INTs. The offensive players have faith in him. The defensive players have faith in him, and the fans have faith in him. Even the coach, who adopted a unique college-style offense just for Tebow, believes in him. Faith is what is carrying the Denver Broncos right now, and there is no arguing the results.
My personal challenge to you is to give up the resistance, at least temporarily, and give faith a try. If you put as much passion into searching for faith (in God, not Tebow ;) ), then you will start to see its power to change lives. You had to have put a lot time and effort into that post from the other forum. Your logic is not faulty (Tebow's numbers are not good overall), but I think it is misguided. If you put that kind of effort into understanding what God has to offer, then I think your life could take on a whole new meaning.
Believe me when I say that you are no different than me when I was your age. At that time I was pathetic, because all of my skills and gifts were used for meaningless purposes. Thankfully, God took pity on me and showed me how to find faith. My life changed irrevocibly, and I have been happy ever since. Although I do not always state my intentions very well, please understand that my greatest desire is for you to find the happiness that I have found. But I know the obstacles that you face make that seem improbable (or perhaps impossible). But know this: nothing is impossible with God.
I'm not going to post on this thread anymore for two reasons: 1) I have caused this thread to go off topic (congrats to RG3 on the Heisman) and 2) I don't want to say something that sounds negative because I choose my words poorly and don't take enough time to explain myself completely. I will gladly talk Tebow with you in a different thread or in PM. However, I would much rather talk faith with you. I know you have tremendous potential for God, and my true wish is that you would give faith a try so that you can see what most of us here on this forum see so clearly: God loves you so much that you were worth dying for. Let God give your life new direction and you will see the true power of faith. :)
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I'm really hoping that YMT knows more about lp670sv's faith than I do. Because to assume someone is NOT a Christian because they don't like Tim Tebow is a BIG leap. However, if YMT knows him personally and is speaking from knowledge rather than assumption, then bravo for sharing your heartfelt desire for your friend to discover the wonderful relationship with God that you have.
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If you think my opinion of Tim Tebow is at all influenced by his faith than I have nothing more to say to you. No, I'm not a Christian, but I went to a Christian College, I play a Christian card game, and I friends with many devote Christians, what makes you think I have any problem whatsoever with Christianity? Tebow isn't even the most public Christian in the NFL, Troy Polamalu is. My opinion of Tim Tebow has absolutely nothing to do with this faith, it wouldn't matter if he were a Muslim, atheist, Buddhist or anything else. For you too even assume that people hate Tim Tebow for being a Christian is incredibly short sighted and bigotted. If that were the case than I wouldn't be able to watch football. Pretty much every player or coach ever starts of their post game press conference or interviews by thanking God. If that were the problem there would be very few people in the NFL that I didn't hate.
[some good points above, lets not lose focus]
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I think that many Christians overrate Tebow.
I think that many people react to ^that with the opposite reaction.
I think Olijar is right.
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Tim Tebow's initials are TT, which is known to be a crying emoticon.
Kyle Orton's initials are KO, which represents how he knocks out the competition.
Therefore, KO is better.
QED.
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If it was all about: the throwing motion, option style offense, or the solid defense behind him, then no-one would care about Tebow. When people that want nothing to do with God talk about Tebow's relationship with God, you know the Tebow story is more than just about sports. I hope he keeps winning and his next loss is against the Giants in the SuperBowl 8).
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Tim Tebow's initials are TT, which is known to be a crying emoticon.
Kyle Orton's initials are KO, which represents how he knocks out the competition.
Therefore, KO is better.
Tim Tebow's middle name is Gary, making his initials TGT, which represents how OP he is. pwnt.
The above may or may not be true...
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If it was all about: the throwing motion, option style offense, or the solid defense behind him, then no-one would care about Tebow. When people that want nothing to do with God talk about Tebow's relationship with God, you know the Tebow story is more than just about sports. I hope he keeps winning and his next loss is against the Giants in the SuperBowl 8).
The only person in this thread who brought up got was YMT. I then responded to him. People care about Tebow because he was a first round draft pick and he's charismatic. He's a likeable guy. So was JP Losman, and I'd be willing to bet Losman's NFL career lasts longer than Tebow's (He's currently the back up to Miami if anyone is interested)
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If it was all about: the throwing motion, option style offense, or the solid defense behind him, then no-one would care about Tebow. When people that want nothing to do with God talk about Tebow's relationship with God, you know the Tebow story is more than just about sports. I hope he keeps winning and his next loss is against the Giants in the SuperBowl 8).
The only person in this thread who brought up got was YMT. I then responded to him. People care about Tebow because he was a first round draft pick and he's charismatic. He's a likeable guy. So was JP Losman, and I'd be willing to bet Losman's NFL career lasts longer than Tebow's (He's currently the back up to Miami if anyone is interested)
That's just obviously false. If no one cares about his faith, why do I hear about it every single time I watch the Broncos? Why has kneeling become known as Tebowing? Why did Kurt Warner (one of the more well known Christian Quarterbacks ever) get asked for comment on Tebow's style of bringing his faith into everything?
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I'm really hoping that YMT knows more about lp670sv's faith than I do.
He has stated that he was not a Christian on several occasions. I thought it was common knowledge (based on his own profession).
Because to assume someone is NOT a Christian because they don't like Tim Tebow is a BIG leap.
That is a leap that I obviously would not make.
No, I'm not a Christian, but I went to a Christian College, I play a Christian card game, and I friends with many devote Christians, what makes you think I have any problem whatsoever with Christianity?
I never said you have a problem with Christianity. I said you are resisting faith in God. The fact that you went to a Christian college would seem to support that belief. I say this out of experience, since I also attended a Christian college with many non-Christians.
My opinion of Tim Tebow has absolutely nothing to do with this faith, it wouldn't matter if he were a Muslim, atheist, Buddhist or anything else.
I agree with Alex that this is simply false, whether you are willing to admit it or not. You are using transference of your continued resistance to God to discredit Tebow.
For you too even assume that people hate Tim Tebow for being a Christian is incredibly short sighted and bigotted.
Ironically, it is people's bigotry and short-sightedness that lead them to hate Tim Tebow. Frankly, his awkward throwing motion is commonly brought up, even though there have been many QBs with awkward motions that aren't hated by the media. Philip Rivers has a very weird delivery, and yet he is praised as a top-tier QB. Jared Lorenzen had an awkward motion when he was QB at the U. of Kentucky, but the media loved watching a 300-pound QB chuck the ball downfield. Tebow was a media darling at Florida because he was a Heisman and National Champion winner. He became the enigma of all of football when he started putting verses on those little black patches under his eye. The rest is history.
If that were the case than I wouldn't be able to watch football. Pretty much every player or coach ever starts of their post game press conference or interviews by thanking God.
Tebow is about more than "thanking God." That is why both Kurt Warner and Jake Plummer have come out publicly to tell Tebow to "tone it down." He is being asked by Christians to not be so outspoken about Christ. That is the true travesty of his situation from a Christian perspective, but I diverge..... ;)
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My bottom line is that lp670sv left the forums for a while and we didn't know if he'd ever come back. I sincerely care about his eternal future. For now I will simply carry the label of loopy bigot with him, but I will continue to pray for him to see God in a way that will change his life. For me to believe what I believe about Jesus, and not say anything, would mean that I didn't care.
I do.
For me, this is no longer about Tim Tebow. He really isn't a good pocket passer, but neither is Donovan McNabb. ;)
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My opinion of Tim Tebow has absolutely nothing to do with this faith, it wouldn't matter if he were a Muslim, atheist, Buddhist or anything else.
I agree with Alex that this is simply false, whether you are willing to admit it or not. You are using transference of your continued resistance to God to discredit Tebow.
While I'm not necessarily going to agree with either side of this argument, before I ever knew that Tebow was a Christian (his freshman year) I thought his football skills were rough around the edges. And while it might be harder to be objective about analyzing his football skills today because the media and fans have made faith a huge factor, I'm not going to say that it cannot be done.
The bottom line is that the Broncos are experiencing success at winning ballgames with a different approach. Even Bill Walsh had some naysayers early on with the West Coast offense in the early 80's. Some experts felt the 49ers could not maintain long-term success with the West Coast offense. After almost 30 years, it's still going strong. We won't know if Tebow and the Broncos will have long-term success at this point.
Finally, for you youngens, Tebow is not the first of his kind:
NFL Top Ten Lefty QB's #8 Bobby Douglass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk_V9ZcfnmU#ws)
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This video changed my mind about Tebow:
Tim Tebow - "All He Does Is Win" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMK9FKMG3Nc#ws)
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You're insistence that that i care at all about Tebow's faith is annoying. I don't watch their games, I follow them on NFL.com because I have willis mcgahee on my fantasy team, the few times I watch sportscenter the topic of his faith rarely comes up. I don't hate him because he's a christian, I hate him because he was a poor teammate to kyle orton and because he's getting 100% of the credit when it has little to do with him.
ProfUnderwood to your point I actually looked this up awhile ago, the time of possesion from tebow to orton isn't much different, two or three minutes as of a few weeks ago, but opposing teams are actually getting more possessions, and thus more chances to score, because the current denver defense is somewhat all or nothing. They don't have a lot of scoring drives that take a lot of time but they've had more (at least it seems) three and outs since tebow took over. when they do score, the drives are like 8-11 minutes but when they don't the drives are rather short.
Sauce, I love skip bayless and that was actually a very entertaining video haha
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It seems that the only good way to indicate that someone will post again is if they say they absolutely won't.
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I have willis mcgahee on my fantasy team
Now we know the REAL reason lp670sv doesn't like Tebow.....because he's hogging all the rushing yards and TDs away from lp's fantasy running back :)
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Haha that would be my reason long before his faith, but McGahee has actually been getting more touches since Tebow took over so from a strictly fantasy perspective, I'm okay with Tebow being QB. although McGahee got me next to nothing this week and I lost by 6 so I'm pretty upset at him at the moment
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I have willis mcgahee on my fantasy team
Now we know the REAL reason lp670sv doesn't like Tebow.....because he's hogging all the rushing yards and TDs away from lp's fantasy running back :)
...but McGahee has actually been getting more touches since Tebow took over so from a strictly fantasy perspective, I'm okay with Tebow being QB.
So much for that theory, Prof. ;)
... although McGahee got me next to nothing this week and I lost by 6 so I'm pretty upset at him at the moment
In McGahee's defense, Tebow threw for more yards in that game than he has all season. I would say that was an anomoly, but now the Broncos play my Patriots who can't stop anybody from scoring, especially in the air. :-\
It seems that the only good way to indicate that someone will post again is if they say they absolutely won't.
Since I have already violated your trust, I may as well keep going. :maul:
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McGahee's production was more about the defense he face and his knee injury then tebow throwing, since he still had very few passes through the first 3 quarters so he still had a decent number of carries, just only 33 yards.
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knee injury
Did he take an arrow to the knee?
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McGahee's production was more about the defense he face and his knee injury then tebow throwing, since he still had very few passes through the first 3 quarters so he still had a decent number of carries, just only 33 yards.
Knee injury? Is he out for Sunday's game?
If not, he should have good numbers against my Patriots, since we are also 20th against the run (26th against the pass).
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No sprained his knee the week before and it was just lingering effects from that slowing him down, he played through it he just wasn't as productive.
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Sorry to get into this late, but what was Denver's defense doing when Kyle Orton was at QB? Nothing! Tebow comes along and plays with as much passion as has ever been seen in the NFL and the Broncos begin to believe in their QB. Tebow is able to rally his team, and the Broncos have began to believe in the magic that is Tebow. I know all the haters out there are just chomping at the bit to see him fall and maybe he will, but as long as he is currently leading this lackluster Broncos team to the front of their division by bringing out the magic than people should quit hating. Yeah he makes some terrible throws but which Rookie( in games started) hasn't made mistakes? Oh, and if you haven't noticed, the receiving core in Denver is terrible. They drop every other pass from Tim. "Tim's throws are terrible." "His QBR is terrible." "He is not a QB" Maybe you are right, but all he does is win, and the last time I checked that was all that mattered.
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Sorry to get into this late, but what was Denver's defense doing when Kyle Orton was at QB? Nothing! Tebow comes along and plays with as much passion as has ever been seen in the NFL and the Broncos begin to believe in their QB. Tebow is able to rally his team, and the Broncos have began to believe in the magic that is Tebow. I know all the haters out there are just chomping at the bit to see him fall and maybe he will, but as long as he is currently leading this lackluster Broncos team to the front of their division by bringing out the magic than people should quit hating. Yeah he makes some terrible throws but which Rookie( in games started) hasn't made mistakes? Oh, and if you haven't noticed, the receiving core in Denver is terrible. They drop every other pass from Tim. "Tim's throws are terrible." "His QBR is terrible." "He is not a QB" Maybe you are right, but all he does is win, and the last time I checked that was all that mattered.
These are my thoughts exactly, I've often used a similar argument when people bash Flacco out here in Baltimore (well along with other arguments), in the end a quarterback doesn't have to be Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers, all he has to do is win.
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Sorry to get into this late, but what was Denver's defense doing when Kyle Orton was at QB? Nothing! Tebow comes along and plays with as much passion as has ever been seen in the NFL and the Broncos begin to believe in their QB. Tebow is able to rally his team, and the Broncos have began to believe in the magic that is Tebow. I know all the haters out there are just chomping at the bit to see him fall and maybe he will, but as long as he is currently leading this lackluster Broncos team to the front of their division by bringing out the magic than people should quit hating. Yeah he makes some terrible throws but which Rookie( in games started) hasn't made mistakes? Oh, and if you haven't noticed, the receiving core in Denver is terrible. They drop every other pass from Tim. "Tim's throws are terrible." "His QBR is terrible." "He is not a QB" Maybe you are right, but all he does is win, and the last time I checked that was all that mattered.
These are my thoughts exactly, I've often used a similar argument when people bash Flacco out here in Baltimore (well along with other arguments), in the end a quarterback doesn't have to be Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers, all he has to do is win.
Trent Dilfer approves of this message. ;)
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knee injury
Did he take an arrow to the knee?
Let me guess, someone stole your football.
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How about John Fox getting some credit? He was a good coach here at Carolina and is very defensive minded/runs the ball.