Author Topic: Zaccheus (Read 6035 times)

garfield07 · « **on:** June 12, 2009, 09:13:04 PM »

Zaccheus's ability doesn't state about if your able to add the searched Fortress to hand or territory.

Holder may search draw pile for one Fortress card. Shuffle draw pile.
So what do you do with the Fortress, add it to hand or put it in your territory?

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #1 on:** June 12, 2009, 09:24:42 PM »

Zaccheus (Play As):
Holder may search draw pile for one Fortress card and put it in play.

So it goes in your territory. (I'm glad I actually looked that up, because I would have said it went to hand.

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YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #2 on:** June 12, 2009, 09:30:20 PM »

Quote from: RedemptionAggie on June 12, 2009, 09:24:42 PM

So it goes in your territory. (I'm glad I actually looked that up, because I would have said it went to hand. )

It passes through your hand...

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #3 on:** June 12, 2009, 10:16:50 PM »

It goes to PLAY?!?! :O News to me.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #4 on:** June 12, 2009, 10:40:39 PM »

Same here! That's exciting!

Gabe · « **Reply #5 on:** June 13, 2009, 12:30:04 AM »

Wow, Zac puts the Fort in play. That's new. The default for a search ability is to put the card in hand, not in play. That's more of an errata than a "play as" since it changes the way the card works. Hooray for a more powerful Zaccheus!

The Schaef · « **Reply #6 on:** June 13, 2009, 12:33:25 AM »

That cannot be correct. A card that does not specify to place in play goes to hand.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #7 on:** June 13, 2009, 12:43:35 AM »

...unless specified otherwise. He has a play as. That overrides the previous ability.

garfield07 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 13, 2009, 01:06:52 AM »

If the Fortress's go directly to play (territory) then I am sure glad I tweaked my deck.

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=16078.0

You can see for yourself on what I did.

Also I forgot to ask, would Zaccheus be a judge?

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #9 on:** June 13, 2009, 01:16:25 AM »

Zaccheus is not a judge - Judges were rulers of Israel between Joshua and the Kings.

The Schaef · « **Reply #10 on:** June 13, 2009, 01:53:00 AM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on June 13, 2009, 12:43:35 AM

...unless specified otherwise. He has a play as. That overrides the previous ability.

Play As is supposed to clarify the ability with correct language and syntax. Putting the card in play - and "overriding" the old ability - is a change, and would be an errata.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #11 on:** June 13, 2009, 09:18:51 AM »

Is this an RTS mistake then?

metalpsalm · « **Reply #12 on:** June 13, 2009, 10:23:50 AM »

Quote from: The Schaef on June 13, 2009, 12:33:25 AM

That cannot be correct. A card that does not specify to place in play goes to hand.

From the REG:
Zaccheus

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Yellow • Ability: 5 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: Holder may search draw pile for one Fortress card. Shuffle draw pile. • Play As: Holder may search draw pile for one Fortress card and put it in play. •
Who wrote the "Play As"

??
The card just says to search for it. It would go to hand by default because it's not the Prep phase (much to my personal chagrin)

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #13 on:** June 13, 2009, 10:58:35 AM »

a definite mistake

CountFount · « **Reply #14 on:** June 13, 2009, 11:58:56 AM »

So....at this point the Tourney Host is obligated to follow the REG..

SirNobody · « **Reply #15 on:** June 13, 2009, 12:16:10 PM »

Hey,

We all "know" the rule that if a search card doesn't say what to do with the card you searched for it goes to your hand. But can anyone point me to where in the REG/Rulebook it says that?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

TimMierz · « **Reply #16 on:** June 13, 2009, 12:18:45 PM »

I looked a while ago, and the closest thing there was the quote that YMT found about banding from the draw pile. I believe every search card has an ability or Play As with a given destination, including Zaccheus.

CountFount · « **Reply #17 on:** June 13, 2009, 12:31:31 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on June 13, 2009, 12:16:10 PM

We all "know" the rule ....

Well said.

SirNobody · « **Reply #18 on:** June 13, 2009, 12:52:46 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: TimMierz on June 13, 2009, 12:18:45 PM

I looked a while ago, and the closest thing there was the quote that YMT found about banding from the draw pile. I believe every search card has an ability or Play As with a given destination, including Zaccheus.

Huh, I didn't realize that ET, Lost Coin Found, Spiritual Protection, etc had received play as. I did find one search card that doesn't give a destination in the play as: Transfiguration.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

garfield07 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:03:00 PM »

So would the Fortress go to my hand or territory with Zacc's ability?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #20 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:40:24 PM »

The current ruling for "may" special abilities says that the "may" applies to all parts of the same sentence. So, you may search for a fortress, and then you may put it in play. It's up to you if you want to keep it in your hand.

garfield07 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 13, 2009, 09:46:53 PM »

All right, thanks for the replies...

The Schaef · « **Reply #22 on:** June 13, 2009, 10:09:12 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on June 13, 2009, 12:16:10 PM

We all "know" the rule that if a search card doesn't say what to do with the card you searched for it goes to your hand. But can anyone point me to where in the REG/Rulebook it says that?

What would be the other logical default?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #23 on:** June 13, 2009, 10:53:23 PM »

Quote from: The Schaef on June 13, 2009, 10:09:12 PM

What would be the other logical default?

Put it back.

After the new set is released, some of us will want to search our deck just so that we can look at the shiny cards. They bring happiness.

CountFount · « **Reply #24 on:** June 14, 2009, 07:44:45 AM »

Quote from: The Schaef on June 13, 2009, 10:09:12 PM

Quote from: SirNobody on June 13, 2009, 12:16:10 PM
We all "know" the rule that if a search card doesn't say what to do with the card you searched for it goes to your hand. But can anyone point me to where in the REG/Rulebook it says that?

What would be the other logical default?

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on June 13, 2009, 07:40:24 PM

The current ruling for "may" special abilities says that the "may" applies to all parts of the same sentence. So, you may search for a fortress, and then you may put it in play. It's up to you if you want to keep it in your hand.

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