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You will remain , cloud Moses , Instead questions
« on: April 02, 2018, 01:02:49 PM »
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Lots wife: Band to any EC

Three Woes SA : Place in Territory: Negate a card of a different alignment than this card..

2k horses: holder may ITB , D2 and play next enhancement.

Polycarp SA: If your good N.T enhancement is interrupted or negated by an opponent you may discard Polycarp instead.

Worshipping Demons SA: If an Artifact depicting an idol or evil altar is in play , protect all Lost Souls from rescue. End the Battle . CBN

You Will Remain SA: If opponent uses an evil "end the battle" ability this turn , you may begin a new battle.

Achan's Sin SA: ITB and banish all cards in battle

Simeon (gold)SA : may band to any good prophet

Moses (cloud) SA: Negate enhancements , Lost Souls and characters in territories (except cloud cards)    While in battle ,negate enhancements and characters in the Field of battle (except cloud cards)

Beast from the Sea SA:  you may topdeck a N.T Lost soul. CBN if red dragon or The False Prophet is in play.



example
 
Lots wife bands to Fallen Warrior , (Fallen warrior has already played 1 black brigade evil enhancement in battle) then , a hero in battle negates Lot's wife band ability.

1. Does the evil enhancement that was played on Fallen Warrior transfer to Lot's wife or does the played enhancement return to blocking player's hand??


Example:  A player has polycarp in territory with a hero in battle that has already played 1 N.T enhancement in battle.
 
Then blocking player plays Three Woes from hand and attempts to negate the N.T enhancement in battle.

1. Can the player still discard polycarp to instead three woes negate??

2. If so what happens to three woes??   Does 3 Woes go straight to the discard pile unplayed? or does it stay in player's territory placed , then can reactivate after the battle phase is over??  or does it return to owner's hand??

3. If the Heroes N.T enhancement was interrupted by 2K horses and then player uses polycarp does the whole ability of 2K horses never activate and stays played as a 2/2 enhancement on the EC that played it?? or only the "interrupt the battle" part of it never activates and the D2 and play still activate??



Example 2   Hero is in battle with an orange EC , with Household Idols and You will remain activaite in territories.  Then EC plays worshipping demons.

1. If the rescuing player begins a new battle (a 2nd battle) , would the protection last the entire battle phase or only until the end of the 1st battle it was played??

2. If an EC in battle played an enhancement and banished all characters in battle with Achan's Sin and then rescuing player banishes you will remain to add one of their heroes to battle , and no dominant cards are played , would this be considered a sucessful rescue attempt??

Example 3: Rescuing player using Simeon and bands to an opponent's good prophet hero ( Joel) with you will remain activate in territory. Then blocker discards Simeon from battle.

1. Can that player banish You will remain to add another one of his heroes to battle??



1. If Moses enters the field of battle , does he still negate enhancements , characters and Lost souls in territories in addition to negating enhancements and characters in the field of battle??


1. Moses and beast from the sea are in territory in the prep phase (negating Beast from the sea ability) then player puts Red Dragon in territory. Is Beast from the Sea ability now CBN??

2. In order Moses was 1st put in play in territory , then beast from the sea 2nd ,then  red dragon 3rd during the prep phase. Then it moves on to the next phase( battle phase). Is beast from the sea ability CBN??

 Same example as question 1 but with red dragon already in territory with Moses and beast from the Sea , but then Moses gets negated and discarded during the battle phase.

3.With cloud Moses no longer negating characters does beast from the sea ability reactivate with CBN modifier??
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Re: You will remain , cloud Moses , Instead questions
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2018, 01:25:17 PM »
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Fallen Warrior/Lots Wife:

1. I'm slightly confused by the initial setup, how did Fallen Warrior already play an enhancement if LW just banded him in? If you meant he had a weapon equipped, the weapons aren't considered equipped once in battle so the weapon should stay even if FW leaves.

Polycarp/Woes:

1. Yes Polycarp can be discarded to instead the Woes negate.

2. Woes gets placed in territory as per usual. The only thing Polycarps instead does is make it so the enhancement doesn't get negated.

3. The only thing that doesn't get interrupted is the N.T. enhancement. The battle is still interrupted and the rest of 2k Horses works normally; just the individual N.T. enhancement is unaffected by the interrupt.

Worshiping Demons/YWR:

1. A second battle phase is exactly that, a second battle phase. Ongoing abilities that activated in the first battle phase end at the end of that battle phase and would not be active in the second battle phase.

2. Yes. The Hero added by YWR would be unopposed so barring stuff like Gates of Hell adding an EC to battle or Dominants being played, the Hero would win and rescue a soul.

Simeon/YWR:

1. YWR says "your" which means own and control. The player with YWR doesn't control Joel so the condition for that player's YWR isn't satisfied.

Various Questions:

1. Yes.

1. Not immediately, no. Abilities are CBx or not when they activate and remain that way until they activate again. If Beast from the Sea entered battle or left play then returned to play, it would then have CBN because it's condition would be met at the time that it is activating.

2. No, refer to my answer to the previous question.

3. Moses no longer negating BftS doesn't cause it to activate again, it is simply no longer being negated. For it to be CBN, it's condition needs to be met at the moment that it enters territory or enters battle.

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Re: You will remain , cloud Moses , Instead questions
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2018, 01:36:40 PM »
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On Polycarp/Horses, I think Horses fizzles if you need the interrupt to stop an NT battle winner during SI, but otherwise correct.

On Simeon/YWR, Joel isn't your Hero, but Simeon is. Removing Simeon removes the last of your Heroes, so it should trigger YWR.

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Re: You will remain , cloud Moses , Instead questions
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2018, 01:38:51 PM »
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On Polycarp/Horses, I think Horses fizzles if you need the interrupt to stop an NT battle winner during SI, but otherwise correct.

On Simeon/YWR, Joel isn't your Hero, but Simeon is. Removing Simeon removes the last of your Heroes, so it should trigger YWR.

Thanks, I misread the Joel example and thought it was Joel being discarded and Joel's owner that had a YWR up.

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Re: You will remain , cloud Moses , Instead questions
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2018, 01:55:44 PM »
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sorry let me reword the first question about fallen warrior and lots wife.


Here is the example:

Hero goes for a RA. Then is blocked by Lots wife which bands to fallen warrior ( non warrior class version) 

Blocking player has initiative in battle and plays a black brigade  2/2 enhancement (not a weapon) with no SA on Fallen warrior.

Then rescuing player plays a good enhancement that negates Lot's wife band ability.


1 .Question being if Lot's wife band ability is negated does the black brigade 2/2 enhancement transfer to Lot's wife?? (with Fallen warrior kicked out of battle)

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Re: You will remain , cloud Moses , Instead questions
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2018, 01:57:27 PM »
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sorry let me reword the first question about fallen warrior and lots wife.


Here is the example:

Hero goes for a RA. Then is blocked by Lots wife which bands to fallen warrior ( non warrior class version) 

Blocking player has initiative in battle and plays a black brigade  2/2 enhancement (not a weapon) with no SA on Fallen warrior.

Then rescuing player plays a good enhancement that negates Lot's wife band ability.


1 .Question being if Lot's wife band ability is negated does the black brigade 2/2 enhancement transfer to Lot's wife?? (with Fallen warrior kicked out of battle)

As long as their is still a character in battle that can use the brigade of an enhancement the enhancement won't fizzle if the original character leaves, so yes the enhancement would stay in battle.

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Re: You will remain , cloud Moses , Instead questions
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2018, 02:02:04 PM »
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On Polycarp/Horses, I think Horses fizzles if you need the interrupt to stop an NT battle winner during SI, but otherwise correct.

On Simeon/YWR, Joel isn't your Hero, but Simeon is. Removing Simeon removes the last of your Heroes, so it should trigger YWR.



The answer for 2K horses during SI seems to make sense to me , if the instead was to stop a N.T battle winner from being interrupted then the rest of the ability would not activate.

 


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