Author Topic: Wrath of Satan + AotL (Read 6002 times)

RTSmaniac · « **on:** October 25, 2009, 01:14:06 AM »

Can i play wrath of satan and then angel of the lord my evil charater in battle before my opponent plays an enhancement?

Master KChief · « **Reply #1 on:** October 25, 2009, 02:06:50 AM »

adamfincher · « **Reply #2 on:** October 25, 2009, 08:24:34 AM »

wow that's mean.. i never thought of that...
for that matter you could also use grapes...

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #3 on:** October 25, 2009, 09:28:03 AM »

Your opponent would still have initative, however, to play an interrupt. Your opponent was still "losing by removal" at the time you played WoS, so they can play a negate. Playing AotL does not change that outcome.

If you AotL your own EC, then any interrupt would save their heroes, since there would be no EC for Wrath to reactivate on.

Gabe · « **Reply #4 on:** October 25, 2009, 10:50:44 AM »

Once you play Wrath of Stan you cannot play a Dominant until your opponent declines to play an interrupt/negate. The ability of Wrath must complete before a Dominant can be used and Wrath doesn't complete until your opponent declines to interrupt/negate it (assuming it is causing them to lose the battle).

Fallen Warrior + Bringing Fear + Wrath makes it pretty hard to interrupt/negate.

New Raven BR · « **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2009, 02:13:13 PM »

but the real question is: why would ya want to? why not save it for your next ra?

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #6 on:** October 26, 2009, 12:07:18 AM »

can i play hunger and then AotL before passing initiative?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #7 on:** October 26, 2009, 12:10:21 AM »

I don't see why not, your not giving him initiative by SA.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #8 on:** October 26, 2009, 12:42:09 PM »

but he still gets a lost soul correct?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #9 on:** October 26, 2009, 01:52:36 PM »

Assuming he has/continues to have access to one, yes.

SirNobody · « **Reply #10 on:** October 28, 2009, 11:40:19 AM »

Hey,

Quote from: BrianGabe on October 25, 2009, 10:50:44 AM

Once you play Wrath of Stan you cannot play a Dominant until your opponent declines to play an interrupt/negate. The ability of Wrath must complete before a Dominant can be used and Wrath doesn't complete until your opponent declines to interrupt/negate it (assuming it is causing them to lose the battle).

I disagree. Wrath of Satan completes immediately. Your opponent's decision to negate it or interrupt it happens after Wrath of Satan has completed. A player can play Wrath of Satan and then immediately play Angel of the Lord.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #11 on:** October 28, 2009, 11:48:32 AM »

I guess the question is: Is Wrath not complete until the heroes are physically discarded, or does negate happen after the ability has completed but the effects not "activated" due to special init?

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Negate

Negate stops and prevents a targeted special ability or card. The negate ability is played in the Field of Battle. It can undo another card already played unless the card explicitly states it cannot be negated.

Seems cheap though.

I could see both sides

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #12 on:** October 28, 2009, 04:17:47 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on October 28, 2009, 11:40:19 AM

A player can play Wrath of Satan and then immediately play Angel of the Lord.

...... and then I play a negate and win the Lost Soul. gg

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #13 on:** October 28, 2009, 04:33:00 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on October 28, 2009, 11:48:32 AM

Seems cheap though. I could see both sides

I also can see both sides. However, I would lean toward allowing the negate. "Cheapness" goes against "fun and fellowship" which Redemption is based on.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #14 on:** October 28, 2009, 04:35:19 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on October 28, 2009, 04:17:47 PM

Quote from: SirNobody on October 28, 2009, 11:40:19 AM
A player can play Wrath of Satan and then immediately play Angel of the Lord.

...... and then I play a negate and win the Lost Soul. gg

When the EC dies, the enhancement goes too. You wouldn't be able to play a negate.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #15 on:** October 28, 2009, 04:40:16 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on October 28, 2009, 04:35:19 PM

When the EC dies, the enhancement goes too. You wouldn't be able to play a negate.

I disagree, per your previous quote and the following:

Instant Abilities > Interrupt or Negate Last > Special Conditions

• Placing a card in the discard pile removes it from play, but does not remove the ability to negate it by (1) interrupting the battle or (2) interrupting the last enhancement played in battle. However, a "negate last enhancement" negates the last enhancement regardless of its current state (in play, discard pile, converted to a character, etc.).

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #16 on:** October 28, 2009, 04:45:12 PM »

Sweet so this solves the problem imo. And this same logic could be used for uzzah's sa and angel's sword too.

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #17 on:** October 28, 2009, 04:53:22 PM »

Uzzah is a different animal altogether because of initiative control...

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #18 on:** October 28, 2009, 05:09:58 PM »

Quote from: TechnoEthicist on October 28, 2009, 04:53:22 PM

Uzzah is a different animal altogether because of initiative control...

Uzzah is a character, not an enhancement. When he kills himself, you do not get initiative because you are not being harmed. In the main example, Wrath is killing the rescuing hero. In Uzzah's case, the rescuer technically wins the battle.

browarod · « **Reply #19 on:** October 28, 2009, 08:39:46 PM »

Who wins the battle, though? I block with black and play Wrath of Satan, then immediately throw down AotL and kill my EC. You don't have a negate so Wrath stays completed. Who is the winner?

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #20 on:** October 28, 2009, 09:19:44 PM »

so you can play a negate or not? Fun and fellowship are intended for the game. I am inclined to be more technical when it comes to ruling questions however.

SirNobody · « **Reply #21 on:** October 28, 2009, 11:02:31 PM »

Hey,

The defender can play Angel of the Lord immediately after playing Wrath of Satan.

The attacker still gets initiative and can negate Wrath of Satan even though the Evil Character is gone.

If the attacker does not negate Wrath of Satan the battle would end in mutual destruction by mutual removal which is a win for the defender.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #22 on:** November 09, 2009, 07:51:10 PM »

what if Darius Decree is active?

browarod · « **Reply #23 on:** November 09, 2009, 07:54:14 PM »

I assume that would create an unavoidable "If the attacker does not negate Wrath of Satan the battle would end in mutual destruction by mutual removal which is a win for the defender." situation.

Isildur · « **Reply #24 on:** November 09, 2009, 08:07:51 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on October 28, 2009, 11:02:31 PM

Hey,

The defender can play Angel of the Lord immediately after playing Wrath of Satan.

The attacker still gets initiative and can negate Wrath of Satan even though the Evil Character is gone.

If the attacker does not negate Wrath of Satan the battle would end in mutual destruction by mutual removal which is a win for the defender.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

If you go by this deffinition that tim has said then if Darius's Decree is up when Wrath and AOTL are played it becomes CBN.

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Author Topic: Wrath of Satan + AotL (Read 6002 times)

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