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Recently, someone made the point that Mary, mother of James is the same Mary as Jesus' mother. And elder or two agreed with this and said they would rule them the same unique character.

Yet on the same thread, the elder(s) also said that TGT would not extend its ignoring power to regular Mary because TGT specifies by title Mary the Mother of James. However, on another thread, it was confirmed that a Converted Salome from Clan Herod would not receive Ignoring powers from TGT because "Salome" refers to a person, not a card title.

Why is it that in a list of names, one of them refers to a card title and another refers to a person? Either 9/9 in December Mary should get TGT benefits or Converted Salome should.

I would agree that card title should not trump the historical person. Any Mary card that represents the same historical person should gain the "ignore." I think the same should be true about David for cards that refer to King David, and vice versa. The only exceptions should be cards that specify "hero" or "evil."

Recently, someone made the point that Mary, mother of James is the same Mary as Jesus' mother. And elder or two agreed with this and said they would rule them the same unique character.

Can you provide a reference for that? I'm not seeing anywhere where an Elder ruled that MMoJ and Mary are the same person.

Regardless of past ruling, the issue is whether these are, in fact, the same person. The extensions in the title are to clarify historical reference, and should not be used for literal SA translations. If they are the same person, then cards that reference one should reference them all. This is simpler for players and hosts. This will also eliminate the improper use of Herod Salome with TGT, or Saul/Paul vs. King Saul types of issues. Card titles could still be used for deck-building purposes.

It really is unnecessary to try to figure out what cards apply before David became king, and which apply after he became king. We know who David is, so let the cards that pertain to him be used by any version of his card.

There are biblical scholars that thing Salome and Salome are the same....

From a quick search it looks like they are the same person, but I would prefer if two characters can't be conclusively proven to be the same person then they shouldn't be for Redemption purposes to keep from confusion for people who aren't Biblical Scholars (especially when we don't have an up to date REG)

From a quick search it looks like they are the same person, but I would prefer if two characters can't be conclusively proven to be the same person then they shouldn't be for Redemption purposes to keep from confusion for people who aren't Biblical Scholars (especially when we don't have an up to date REG)

Then for the sake of the ordinary player, saying that evil Salome is the same as good Salome is easier, since they have the same title. Likewise, saying that Mary the Mother of James, Mary Magdalene, and Mary are all different people is easier, since they have different titles.

Also, for the ordinary player, knowing that King Saul and Saul/Paul are different is easy based on the title. The one that is tougher would be King David vs. David. But, if we are already ruling them as different for Promised Land, that may not be an issue.

I'd prefer Redemption to not have seminary as a requirement for playing.

Funny thing.  The more that the game stays true to the Word of God, the more I feel like I am in seminary when I play a lot and build decks.

I am not supporting the idea they should be the same as Redemption. It's a debated point.