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Wonders Forgotten
« on: January 16, 2011, 01:09:52 PM »
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If I play wonders forgotten to end the battle does my opponent get a lost soul.

Yellow EE 0/4 Select up to four good cards from one player's discard pile and remove them from the game. The battle immeidately ends. Cannot be negated.                        
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2011, 01:13:30 PM »
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If he is beating you, yes. If his offense isn't equal to or greater than your defense, no.
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2011, 01:38:23 PM »
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Cards that say "The battle immediately ends" mean that no more cards can be played.  The battle immediately goes to resolution, where you check to see who is winning by the numbers.
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2011, 11:55:52 PM »
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That is why Wonders Forgotten is a nice card to use for Gold brigade evil characters because it is an easy way to win the battle when you have Egyptian Horses on a big dude.
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2011, 01:18:44 PM »
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Be aware, though, that abilities pending resolution still complete. So if your character gets Converted, then you play Swift Horses and Wonders Forgotten, your character will still get converted and you'll still surrender a soul because you have no blocker.
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2011, 01:34:57 PM »
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But wouldn't Wonders Forgotten complete before the convert?
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2011, 01:50:57 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on January 17, 2011, 01:18:44 PM
Be aware, though, that abilities pending resolution still complete. So if your character gets Converted, then you play Swift Horses and Wonders Forgotten, your character will still get converted and you'll still surrender a soul because you have no blocker.

That is not my understanding, what leads you to this conclusion?
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2011, 01:56:43 PM »
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Why wouldn't they? The effect was suspended, but then nothing was done during the suspension to stop it.
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2011, 01:57:38 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on January 17, 2011, 01:56:43 PM
Why wouldn't they? The effect was suspended, but then nothing was done during the suspension to stop it.
Yes there was.  The battle ended before the convert happened.
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2011, 02:04:02 PM »
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I agree with the majority that "ending the battle" ends all pending abilities in the battle, except those that specify "after the battle."
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2011, 02:06:54 PM »
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So special abilities do not resolve during battle resolution?

I'm fine if that's the case from a gameplay standpoint and it makes my defenses just that much better, but from a logical standpoint I don't get it.
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2011, 02:07:33 PM »
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It seems that your logic differs from the majority.
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2011, 02:12:27 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on January 17, 2011, 02:06:54 PM
So special abilities do not resolve during battle resolution?

That has always been my understanding, except again those SAs that are designed for Battle Resolution.
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2011, 02:14:07 PM »
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Quote from: YourMathTeacher on January 17, 2011, 02:12:27 PM
Quote from: Minister Polarius on January 17, 2011, 02:06:54 PM
So special abilities do not resolve during battle resolution?

That has always been my understanding, except again those SAs that are designed for Battle Resolution.

That is my understanding as well.
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2011, 02:15:54 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on January 17, 2011, 02:06:54 PM
So special abilities do not resolve during battle resolution?

I'm fine if that's the case from a gameplay standpoint and it makes my defenses just that much better, but from a logical standpoint I don't get it.

This was ruled on when it was determined that your five Assyrian Archers each with Horses could all shoot someone, draw two cards, and play Forgotten History whilst the battle is interrupted and end the battle. It was ruled that all the Archers survive, because the battle ended before their triggered effect was reinstated. Brutal? Yes. Hard to pull off in today's T2 meta? Also yes.
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2011, 02:22:31 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on January 17, 2011, 02:06:54 PM
...but from a logical standpoint I don't get it.

The only example that comes to mind right away would be this:

1. My EC plays a capture.
2. Your hero plays Reach, then AoCp.
3. My EC is now gone, so after the interrupt, my capture tries to reactivate, but it cannot since there is no EC to activate on.

In the Forgotten History situation:

1. I play a discard card with my hero.
2. You play Swift Horses and Forgotten History.
3. After the interrupt, my discard tries to reactivate, but it cannot since the battle is over.
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2011, 02:28:41 PM »
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Ok, that explanation makes sense. Thanks to YMT for explaining the why, not just restating that that's the ruling.
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Re: Wonders Forgotten
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2011, 04:41:13 PM »
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Quote from: Professoralstad on January 17, 2011, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: Minister Polarius on January 17, 2011, 02:06:54 PM
So special abilities do not resolve during battle resolution?

I'm fine if that's the case from a gameplay standpoint and it makes my defenses just that much better, but from a logical standpoint I don't get it.

This was ruled on when it was determined that your five Assyrian Archers each with Horses could all shoot someone, draw two cards, and play Forgotten History whilst the battle is interrupted and end the battle. It was ruled that all the Archers survive, because the battle ended before their triggered effect was reinstated. Brutal? Yes. Hard to pull off in today's T2 meta? Also yes.

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