Author Topic: Who's initiative? (Read 1472 times)

Cnakeeyes · « **on:** July 14, 2017, 11:10:43 PM »

Opponent plays preblock choose the blocker and brings in someone that makes it mutual destruction. Who gets to play first.
This sinario was TeP Asahel choosing egyptian warden.

Asahel is 5/4
Egyptian warden is 4/5
Don't have an Asahel handy but his ability is not exactly what is in question it's who is considered to have played the last card.

Jeremystair · « **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2017, 11:34:51 PM »

I believe the hero has initiative. Even though the hero chose the blocker the blocker was put into battle by your opponent and your opponent activated the special ability on the evil character when it's completed then we check to see who has initiative. So the evil character was put into battle by your opponent even though you chose it. So the evil character entering battle is considered the last card played.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 15, 2017, 12:10:38 AM »

Warden's completion is actually the completion of asahel's ability making asahel the last card played in battle. I would think warden has iniative.

Jeremystair · « **Reply #3 on:** July 15, 2017, 08:41:52 AM »

I guess it depends on if your opponent has to put The Chosen character in battle at all? I always thought that when you pre blocked with a choose the character that you fight they didn't have to be brought into battle but if your opponent was going to put any character in battle that's the one they had to play.

The Guardian · « **Reply #4 on:** July 15, 2017, 11:04:39 AM »

Playing a character is activating its ability (not completing it) therefore Warden was the last card played and the attacking player has initiate.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #5 on:** July 15, 2017, 01:39:45 PM »

Quote from: Jeremystair on July 15, 2017, 08:41:52 AM

I guess it depends on if your opponent has to put The Chosen character in battle at all? I always thought that when you pre blocked with a choose the character that you fight they didn't have to be brought into battle but if your opponent was going to put any character in battle that's the one they had to play.

If an eligible character is chosen to rescue/block then the character must be presented. You might be thinking of older cards that work that way by saying, "Withdraw opponent's Evil Character. Opponent must present a new blocker or rescue attempt is successful." In this case they have the option to allow to the rescue to be successful and just not block but if I attack with Asahel and choose an Evil Character than the character must come into battle.

Jeremystair · « **Reply #6 on:** July 15, 2017, 02:02:23 PM »

Okay so then if the character is brought into battle by Asahel's special ability then the player who owns warden did not play a card. So wouldn't Warden have the initiative?

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #7 on:** July 15, 2017, 02:04:21 PM »

Quote from: Jeremystair on July 15, 2017, 02:02:23 PM

Okay so then if the character is brought into battle by Asahel's special ability then the player who owns warden did not play a card. So wouldn't Warden have the initiative?

The evil characters controller still activates its ability which counts as playing the last card.

Jeremystair · « **Reply #8 on:** July 15, 2017, 02:11:08 PM »

That's what I was waiting for someone to say. What if the evil character does not have a special ability?

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #9 on:** July 15, 2017, 05:01:23 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on July 15, 2017, 04:58:01 PM

Quote from: Kevinthedude on July 15, 2017, 02:04:21 PM
Quote from: Jeremystair on July 15, 2017, 02:02:23 PM
Okay so then if the character is brought into battle by Asahel's special ability then the player who owns warden did not play a card. So wouldn't Warden have the initiative?

The evil characters controller still activates its ability which counts as playing the last card.

If activating the ability is what determines which card was played last then ossa hills ability completes after wardens completes plus it's wardens initiative. Just like my first post. I understand that goes against what Justin just said.

If I play an interrupt, draw 3, and play the next enhancement card, the enhancement played off the play ability happens before the interrupt completes yet the card played off the play ability is still the last card played. The order they complete in doesn't matter for this kind of thing it matters in the order they were played, which is just activating them.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 15, 2017, 05:02:48 PM »

I miss read your last post which is what led to my response. After realizing that I miss read your post I attempted to remove my last comment.

Jeremystair · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2017, 05:47:55 PM »

If I choose the evil character and bring him into battle didn't I play the last card (Warden)? even though it was off of my special ability? Wouldn't that give my opponent the initiative?

Gabe · « **Reply #12 on:** July 15, 2017, 07:04:56 PM »

Quote from: Jeremystair on July 15, 2017, 05:47:55 PM

If I choose the evil character and bring him into battle didn't I play the last card (Warden)? even though it was off of my special ability? Wouldn't that give my opponent the initiative?

The person controlling the character is the one who is considered to have played the card.

Jeremystair · « **Reply #13 on:** July 15, 2017, 07:11:09 PM »

I understand what you're saying and I kind of agree but it sounds like they have no choice in the matter. It's brought into battle no matter what and they don't get initiative because they played a card. How is that fair? I can't even interrupt this ability.

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #14 on:** July 15, 2017, 07:31:25 PM »

Quote from: Jeremystair on July 15, 2017, 07:11:09 PM

I understand what you're saying and I kind of agree but it sounds like they have no choice in the matter. It's brought into battle no matter what and they don't get initiative because they played a card. How is that fair? I can't even interrupt this ability.

You can interrupt play abilities either and those can be even more "unfair" than this if you follow the same logic. Choose the blocker is indeed a powerful ability but you can play around it in several ways by doing things like holding characters in your hand that you wouldn't want them to choose or by building your deck keeping in mind that an opponent using an ability of this kind is a possibility and including a plan against it. That's part of how card games work.

Jeremystair · « **Reply #15 on:** July 15, 2017, 08:05:12 PM »

My point is it should be a punishment to them if they choose an evil character that creates Mutual destruction or is lower.

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