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Weapons:
Pretty sure it is ruled that a weapon placed will not follow if played in battle(even if coming from territory and being placed in a previous phase) and the character is removed from play(or becomes a lost soul).

So I'm assuming with CWD up a weapon would follow as a placed enhancement since it would not have been played?

Also, I'm wondering if weapons can follow to Tartaros and Chamber still, or is that specifically because it's an instead ability?

Placed Enhancements:
My understanding is that placed enhancements with place abilities will follow in a circumstance where the character is removed from play during battle unlike weapons, correct? But also discarded if the character becomes a lost soul?

Thanks

I'm really looking for why and when a character can continue to hold a weapon vs when they can't

Apparently the weapons can only be switched when the original holder is removed which also seems inconsistent with the idea that the weapon is discarded as a played enhancement when characters are removed from battle..

so if a hero is withdrawn do they keep the weapon? or is it discarded as a 'played' enhancement?

okay so why don't they follow through grapes then? so if invoking terror was played on joshua holding a weapon does the weapon get discarded or can it follow?

and where does it say that you can switch weapons around?

okay so why don't they follow through grapes then? so if invoking terror was played on joshua holding a weapon does the weapon get discarded or can it follow?

and where does it say that you can switch weapons around?

Weapons don't follow through grapes (AFAIK) because weapons are not attached during battle. Weapons can be attached to valid characters instead of being discarded after battle but if grapes is involved the character is gone before the time when the weapons can be attached. If you underdeck josh with a weapon in battle the weapon does not follow because weapons aren't held in battle but if you do it to a josh in territory who is holding a weapon there the weapon would follow.

okay so if they aren't attached during battle, then you can move a sword of the spirit to any warrior class character in battle 'following battle resolution'?

Yes

What if the weapon was attached in territory and then the hero entered battle with the weapon. An EC blocks and plays Invoking Terror. Wouldn't the weapon be underdecked with the hero since it was placed on him in territory and not placed during battle; same if it was AoG enh or. FotS enh? Same scenario with Grapes.

Weapons don't count as attached while they are in battle regardless of where they came from, what they were on before or after, or anything else at all. In battle weapons are normal enhancements and no attached to anything. They are only ever attached outside of battle.

Quote from: Watchman492 on April 29, 2017, 06:08:56 PM

What if the weapon was attached in territory and then the hero entered battle with the weapon. An EC blocks and plays Invoking Terror. Wouldn't the weapon be underdecked with the hero since it was placed on him in territory and not placed during battle; same if it was AoG enh or. FotS enh? Same scenario with Grapes.

Weapons don't count as attached while they are in battle regardless of where they came from, what they were on before or after, or anything else at all. In battle weapons are normal enhancements and no attached to anything. They are only ever attached outside of battle.

I second Karius. I don't believe this info is accurate. Here's what the REG says concerning placed enhs:

"If a card is placed on another card and the underlying card is relocated, the placed card is generally relocated (regardless of protection) to the same location that the underlying card is located and remains there."

There's only three exceptions to this rule and two of them deals with sites and lost souls and the other about capture then the placed enh is discarded.

The REG doesn't get into or make an exception for the scenario you're describing. This topic came up recently and the elders made it clear, in union with the REG, that the placed enh follows the underlying card.

I appreciate you explaining this, but does it say somewhere in the reg or rules that they aren't held in battle?

You're thinking on the wrong direction (If I'm making any sense at all). They can't be held outside of battle because the REG doesn't say they can be, not because it says they can't.

@Watchman: Weapons are not considered placed enhancements ever. They simply follow the rules of placed enhancements while they are outside of battle.

Unless the rule has changed, (which I'm not aware of), the insert card that comes in Kings packs to explain how weapons works says that weapons can be moved from one WC character to another (of matching brigade obviously) when the characters are returned to territory. A player can also choose to not let the weapon remain on an opponent's character they banded to during battle.

Thanks a ton for the clarification here!!