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When is Set Fire discarded?
« on: September 11, 2010, 09:17:34 PM »
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If my opponent has placed Set Fire in my territory, and I discard my only site or OT fortress that I have left on my turn, is Set Fire immediately discarded, or does it have to wait until the following turn to do a check and then get discarded? Also, if my only site gets discarded by some other means, is Set Fire discarded even if it's not during my upkeep phase?

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Set Fire (Pi)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Crimson • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place in a player’s territory. Each upkeep, that player must discard a single-color Site or O.T. Fortress from his territory or set-aside area. When none of those remain, discard this card. • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Kings 25:9 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)
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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2010, 10:47:15 PM »
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Set fire' ability only activates during your upkeep phase.  If it does discard your final site/fortress, you will have to wait until your next upkeep phase before it discards itself.
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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2010, 10:52:16 PM »
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Quote from: Ironica on September 11, 2010, 10:47:15 PM
Set fire' ability only activates during your upkeep phase.  If it does discard your final site/fortress, you will have to wait until your next upkeep phase before it discards itself.

I disagree. Placed enhancements are always active, but Set Fire's Fortress/Site discard ability only triggers during upkeep. It's self discard is a separate ability that triggers whenever the condition is met. So Set Fire would be discarded as soon as the last Site/OT Fortress is discarded.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2010, 10:57:03 PM by Professoralstad »
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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2010, 10:59:35 PM »
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Quote from: Professoralstad on September 11, 2010, 10:52:16 PM
Quote from: Ironica on September 11, 2010, 10:47:15 PM
Set fire' ability only activates during your upkeep phase.  If it does discard your final site/fortress, you will have to wait until your next upkeep phase before it discards itself.

I disagree. Placed enhancements are always active, but Set Fire's Fortress/Site discard ability only triggers during upkeep. It's self discard is a separate ability that triggers whenever the condition is met. So Set Fire would be discarded as soon as the last Site/OT Fortress is discarded.
That's how I always play it. If I have one ot fort and on my next  turn i discard it, set fire would be too.
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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2010, 11:05:44 PM »
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How can there be a fire when there's nothing to burn anyway? ::)
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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2010, 11:06:59 PM »
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Quote from: BubbleBoy on September 11, 2010, 11:05:44 PM
How can there be a fire when there's nothing to burn anyway? ::)

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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2010, 11:13:26 PM »
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Or the embers need a full turn to die out ;)
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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2010, 02:03:32 AM »
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I could see the last sentence being tied to the preceding sentence.
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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2010, 02:09:25 AM »
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I say the second ability is a triggered ability that activates when the condition is met. As soon as the last site/fortress is discarded the trigger activates.
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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2010, 09:24:08 AM »
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Quote from: Professoralstad on September 11, 2010, 10:52:16 PM
So Set Fire would be discarded as soon as the last Site/OT Fortress is discarded.
I agree with the "other Prof".  Set Fire's 1st ability makes you discard.  Then the 2nd ability checks to see if anything is left.  If your discard got rid of the last site/OT fort, then the 2nd ability won't find anything there, and Set Fire will be discarded.
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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2010, 09:56:39 AM »
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I see it more as:

At upkeep phase, check opponent's territory.

-If there is an OT fort or site,

-Then discard a site or OT fort

-Else discard set fire.
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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2010, 12:52:16 PM »
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Quote from: Professoralstad on September 11, 2010, 10:52:16 PM
So Set Fire would be discarded as soon as the last Site/OT Fortress is discarded.
I agree with the "other Prof".  Set Fire's 1st ability makes you discard.  Then the 2nd ability checks to see if anything is left.  If your discard got rid of the last site/OT fort, then the 2nd ability won't find anything there, and Set Fire will be discarded.

I agree with both Profs
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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2010, 01:51:11 PM »
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and me
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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2010, 11:33:28 PM »
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Guess I just got corrected (at least no one used a rod to correct me :P)
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Re: When is Set Fire discarded?
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2010, 07:02:24 PM »
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Quote from: Ironica on September 12, 2010, 09:56:39 AM
I see it more as:

At upkeep phase, check opponent's territory.

-If there is an OT fort or site,

-Then discard a site or OT fort

-Else discard set fire.
That would be a great way to see it if it was what the card actually said.
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