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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Chris on March 11, 2013, 03:46:03 PM
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Player A makes a successful rescue attempt against player B. Player B begins to hand a soul over, then changes his mind and decides to give a different soul, and begins to withdraw his arm. Player A snatches the card from Player B, and player B protests.
Player A's argument is that Player B picked up the soul, and his hand was halfway across the table.
Player B's argument is that he did not hand Player A the soul, and his hand had already begun to withdraw at the point that Player A took it from him.
Assume this is at a national tournament, so there's no exceptions being made for anyone. Is this a case where Player B made a mistake and has to own it, or was he still within his rights to change his mind until he handed the card over?
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I can see two different solutions here, but I'm not sure which one is correct.
A. You can take it back as long as you still have your hand on it. This is standard.
B. By picking up the soul, you've declared your intent and are simply moving it, the action has already been accepted. This is also generally standard.
I've heard it played as B, and it creates the least problems, but A seems like the nicer way.
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A. You can take it back as long as you still have your hand on it. This is standard.
I would rule with this in mind. It just seems rude for someone to grab a card out of another player's hand. Fun and fellowship ftw :)
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A. You can take it back as long as you still have your hand on it. This is standard.
I would rule with this in mind. It just seems rude for someone to grab a card out of another player's hand. Fun and fellowship ftw :)
Agreed.
And by the way, do we really have to analyze every possible ruling scenario that does not follow general guidelines of sportsmanship and integrity?!? ::)
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A. You can take it back as long as you still have your hand on it. This is standard.
I would rule with this in mind. It just seems rude for someone to grab a card out of another player's hand. Fun and fellowship ftw :)
Agreed.
And by the way, do we really have to analyze every possible ruling scenario that does not follow general guidelines of sportsmanship and integrity?!? ::)
This is something that did happen at Nats, and I remembered I never made a thread on it. :)
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Every card game I have ever played has had the unwritten rule that the card is not played until I take my hand off of it. This rule also applies to board games, like Chess. In fact, these may be written rules in some official chess manual, or Hoyle's Rules for card games. ;)
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A player should certainly never "snatch" another card from a player's hand. Likewise, a player should never touch another player's cards unless an ability instructs him/gives him that option to do so or if the player has requested to view a card to read the ability, check identifier, etc.
In that particular scenario, I would rule in favor of Player B. However, once that LS is released from his hand, it is considered in the rescuing player's LoR.
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Call it a general conduct of the game. A rule within itself. Anything less would be uncivilized.