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So I was thinking about plays and suddenly realized I may have made an illegal play or two this season.

Say that in my opening hand I draw Delivered, but no other evil cards. I do have a hero, though, so I play it as good and use it to activate Great White Throne from deck. When does Delivered go from my territory to discard? Is it there in time for GWT to banish it as evil for the search?

Spoiler: Delivered (hover to show)

Spoiler: Great White Throne (hover to show)

That's what I was afraid of. Whoops.

Delivered isn't discarded until its ability completes.  Its ability doesn't complete until the artifact it activated completes its ability.

Therefore, Delivered is still in play when Great White Throne activates.

It's only specified for "play an Enhancement", but abilities that play other cards (band, activate an Artifact, draw if you draw a LS, etc.) are not complete until after the ability on the played card completes.

Tangentially related question (that I haven't actually accidentally cheated with used yet): normally you get one artifact pile activation per turn, unless you have an ability that allows you more. Does using such an ability during prep phase before normally activating an artifact count as your activation for the turn?
Say on my turn I play Delivered and use it to activate GWT (with an evil card in discard). I get my search. Can I then deactivate GWT and activate Book of the Covenant from my pile instead, since my only art activation was by special ability? Or does it only work the other way around - normal activation, then Delivered to do a new one?

So according to Aggie I can definitely:

Use Delivered, Activate Shrine, Shuffle Delivered, Activate Broken Covenant on Pithom, Use Delivered, Activate another artifact THEN it might go into my discard pile

Without looking into the language in the rules, I believe you could only activate twice if you activate normally, then play Delivered for a new activation.

I would think using Delivered first would count as your activation, but could be wrong.

That's kinda what I figured, and would be my common-sense ruling, but as we all know common-sense rulings are not always accurate.


EDIT: that said, now that I've gotten a chance to look it up the REG says " An activate an Artifact effect allows a player to activate an Artifact in a location they control during a phase other than the Preparation Phase or an additional time during the Preparation Phase." I could see an argument that "additional time" would mean that using Delivered first doesn't use up the activation.

Quote from: kariusvega on July 19, 2019, 02:25:12 PM

So according to Aggie I can definitely:

Use Delivered, Activate Shrine, Shuffle Delivered, Activate Broken Covenant on Pithom, Use Delivered, Activate another artifact THEN it might go into my discard pile

That seems legit to me. You should find a way to activate Endless Treasures too, get another use of Delivered. Even more fun in T2

sneaks off to plot

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on July 19, 2019, 02:59:06 PM

Quote from: kariusvega on July 19, 2019, 02:25:12 PM

So according to Aggie I can definitely:

Use Delivered, Activate Shrine, Shuffle Delivered, Activate Broken Covenant on Pithom, Use Delivered, Activate another artifact THEN it might go into my discard pile

That seems legit to me. You should find a way to activate Endless Treasures too, get another use of Delivered. Even more fun in T2

Build around a FooF Isaiah offense (like Bobbert has) and you can add in Delivered recursion. 

Or, yaknow, anything that can grab stars from discard.