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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: EmJayBee83 on July 23, 2012, 12:45:39 AM
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I know I can set aside my evil characters with my evil set asides in prep, battle, and discard phases (with appropriate brigade matching).
I know I can set aside my hero with my good set aside in prep, battle, and discard phases (with appropriate brigade matching).
I know I can set aside my opponent's ECs with my appropriately targeting good set asides in battle (Indeed!).
I know I can set aside my opponent's heroes with my appropriately targeting evil set asides in battle.
Can I set aside my opponent's heroes with my good set asides in battle (if the set aside is played on my hero who is opposing my opponent's hero in battle)?
Can I set aside my opponent's ECs with my evil set asides in battle (if the set aside is played on my EC who is opposing my opponent's EC in battle)?
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Can I set aside my opponent's heroes with my good set asides in battle (if the set aside is played on my hero who is opposing my opponent's hero in battle)?
Can I set aside my opponent's ECs with my evil set asides in battle (if the set aside is played on my EC who is opposing my opponent's EC in battle)?
I believe that this has been ruled as "no" consistently. Cards that target the same alignment refer to characters you control unless they otherwise specify, and those that target the opposite alignment can target any hero/EC (unless otherwise specified). Unfortunately, I have no proof to give, per se, and would like some confirmation as well, but that is how I've seen it ruled consistently.
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Redemption® Rulebook > Diagram of a Turn > Battle Phase > Exceptions to Enhancements Played in the Field of Battle (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/REG/Master/exceptionstoenhancementsplayedinthefieldofbattle.htm)
"You may also play them [set aside enhancements] in battle according to the rules of initiative. You can direct the effect of the set-aside card to any character you own and currently control. You may set aside a character with multiple set-aside cards if they are played at the same time."
Set asides are specifically restricted to good only setting aside your heroes. The opposite alignment thing is a new exception created post-rulebook.
Other cards, such as King Sargon, can target opponent's cards of the same alignment.
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Set asides are specifically restricted to good only setting aside your heroes. The opposite alignment thing is a new exception created post-rulebook.
The rulebook passage you provided says you have to direct the set aside at any character you own and currently control--yet the Garden Girls play 'He Is Risen' with abandon. The rulebook says you can use multiple simultaneous set asides--yet that hasn't been legal for six years or so. In short the section of the rulebook you are using as a basis is completely out of date so I don't see how it helps. (I'm not saying you are incorrect, as I don't know what the answer is. I am merely saying that I don't think the rulebook is useful in this case.)
I believe that this has been ruled as "no" consistently. Cards that target the same alignment refer to characters you control unless they otherwise specify, and those that target the opposite alignment can target any hero/EC (unless otherwise specified).
I am not sure that this has been ruled consistently. I have seen players play Two Possessed by Demons and set aside their opponent's evil characters as well as heroes. Maybe those players have played the card incorrectly. Have you seen this ruled against?
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Set-Aside > How to Play:
A set-aside ability must target a card you own and control unless the set-aside card is either territory class or played in battle and gives no beneficial effect to the card set aside or the player that plays the set-aside card.
So the answer to both of your questions appears to be yes. I'm not sure what cards exist to make the first possible, but Two Possessed by Demons is a good example on the evil side.
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Set-Aside > How to Play:
A set-aside ability must target a card you own and control unless the set-aside card is either territory class or played in battle and gives no beneficial effect to the card set aside or the player that plays the set-aside card.
So the answer to both of your questions appears to be yes. I'm not sure what cards exist to make the first possible, but Two Possessed by Demons is a good example on the evil side.
I wonder what that bolded part means. If I am making a rescue with Salome and I set aside my opponent's blocking EC isn't that beneficial to me (the player that played the set-aside card)? Color me confuzzled.
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I interpreted "beneficial effect" to be something printed on the card (gain 1/1, protect other stuff, etc.), not winning the battle.