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Halfway rescued "Lost Souls" shuffled into deck
« on: March 27, 2009, 04:03:49 PM »
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Do they have "memory", and have to be rescued only one more time to be scored?  Or once out of play does the count start over again at zero when they come into play the second time?

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Re: Halfway rescued "Lost Souls" shuffled into deck
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2009, 04:07:36 PM »
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The Lost Souls card resets if it's returned to a deck.  It would have be rescued two more times.
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Re: Halfway rescued "Lost Souls" shuffled into deck
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2009, 04:45:08 PM »
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Interesting.  How does that work for other cards, like Jepthah, whose ability says "Once per game".  If he gets returned to my deck by various means (like Chariot of Fire), can he use that ability the second time he comes out too?  If not, what if I had four of them in a T2 deck, how would any of us know which Jepthah I have just drawn?

But I might be presuming too much here, because maybe having 4 Jepthah's doesn't even mean that each can use it one time.  Is that how the Jepthah issue is solved?

Are there other "once per game" cards out there that work in a similar fashion?

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Re: Halfway rescued "Lost Souls" shuffled into deck
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2009, 05:11:45 PM »
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Jepthah does not reset if shuffled back into your draw pile because its special ability can only be used once per game.  So basically once you choose to use Jepthah's special ability it can not be used again that game, even if it is a different Jepthah card.
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Re: Halfway rescued "Lost Souls" shuffled into deck
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2009, 06:18:36 PM »
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Thanks.  It just seems odd then that the "Lost Souls" reset to zero when shuffled in.  It says that they must be rescued twice to count.  If they get shuffled into the deck how does that change the count, if shuffling in Jepthah doesn't change his "count"?  Jepthah's already used his ability, but the Lost Souls haven't already been rescued?  When Lost Souls come out of the deck and get rescued the second time, they have been rescued twice (in my opinion).  I guess it could have been clarified further by adding "must be rescued twice, before leaving play, to count".  Thanks again for the clarifications.

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Re: Halfway rescued "Lost Souls" shuffled into deck
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2009, 06:30:33 PM »
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For one, when the card was created, the only way to make a Lost Soul leave play would be to discard it. :)

To your actual question, cards like Jephthah and other "per game" abilities are special. From the REG:
"A 'per game' ability applies to all copies of the card and is not reset (e.g., return to pile)." (Miscellaneous)

Otherwise, every card completely resets upon hitting the hand, deck or discard pile:
"Cards returned to a draw or discard pile return to face value unless the card has limited game use (e.g., Burial Shroud)." (Return to Deck)
"Cards returned to hand return to face value." (Withdraw from Battle, Default Conditions)
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Re: Halfway rescued "Lost Souls" shuffled into deck
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2009, 12:24:02 PM »
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No. Same name, same art, and there's a special ability (even though it's different). Only one Lost Souls per 50 cards in Type 1.
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