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Title: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: STAMP on June 05, 2012, 01:41:51 PM
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Forgive me, but the advanced search doesn't seem to be working for me right now.  Furthermore, I'm not well-versed with most of the new rules.  As such, I have questions about Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2):

May I place WWaW on The Strong Angel during my prep phase?
If so, is the protection and site access CBN in the next phase if I RA with TSA?

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Alex_Olijar on June 05, 2012, 02:11:36 PM
I don't think it's CBN. The CBN applies to the place ability (otherwise TSA would unplace the enhance), but not the other abilities (I think).
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Korunks on June 05, 2012, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: Alex_Olijar on June 05, 2012, 02:11:36 PM
I don't think it's CBN. The CBN applies to the place ability (otherwise TSA would unplace the enhance), but not the other abilities (I think).

That is the ruling as I understand it.  The placement of a card is CBN any turn afterwards, but the ability is negatable.  This was ruled way back when Abom was actually useful ;)
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: megamanlan on June 05, 2012, 02:54:14 PM
That is correct, the ability is not CBN so both TSA and Cap negate it, but the place is CBN. Also, quick note I can place Wheel on any angel that I control, not just the one that I searched for.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Minister Polarius on June 05, 2012, 03:00:47 PM
The only way to make W3 work on TSA or CotH is to play it off Michael in battle.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: megamanlan on June 05, 2012, 03:40:00 PM
That's true.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: STAMP on June 05, 2012, 04:13:40 PM
Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Drrek on June 05, 2012, 05:02:47 PM
Quote from: Minister Polarius on June 05, 2012, 03:00:47 PM
The only way to make W3 work on TSA or CotH is to play it off Michael in battle.

Or play it off Ezekiel or Paul during battle.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: megamanlan on June 05, 2012, 05:30:06 PM
Basically, play it on a character that makes Enhancements CBN (or CBI)
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Nameless on June 05, 2012, 05:38:33 PM
Convert Josh the priest with gold shield to green or silver and play it during battle.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Josh on June 06, 2012, 08:03:58 AM
This thread is now about listing all the ways that Pol missed to make 3W CBN.

You can play it on a Sabbathed hero or a FioHP'd NT hero.

You can also play it on a WC hero with Ram's Horn active (assuming 3W is not being prevented).

You can play it on a Passover Preparationsed hero.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Drrek on June 06, 2012, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: jmhartz on June 06, 2012, 08:03:58 AM
This thread is now about listing all the ways that Pol missed to make 3W CBN.

You can play it on a Sabbathed hero or a FioHP'd NT hero.

You can also play it on a WC hero with Ram's Horn active (assuming 3W is not being prevented).

You can play it on a Passover Preparationsed hero.

Ah but he didn't just say ways to make it CBN, he said
Quote from: Minister Polarius on June 05, 2012, 03:00:47 PM
The only way to make W3 work on TSA or CotH is to play it off Michael in battle.
which there are more of those than just making it CBN.  You could negate Cap/TSA with Tower of Thebez or Holy of Holies and Wheel within a wheel would work on them to.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Professoralstad on June 06, 2012, 11:41:47 AM
-Thomas+Coat of Many Colors+Wheel
-King Jotham+Provisions to CtB a WC EC+Wheel
-Convert Naaman w/ Horses to Green or Silver+Wheel
-Any Green Hero+Abel's Sacrifice+Wheel
...
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Noah on June 06, 2012, 01:18:47 PM
Can't you only place WWaW on a O.T. angel?
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Redoubter on June 06, 2012, 01:25:16 PM
Quote from: tripleplayNo3 on June 06, 2012, 01:18:47 PM
Can't you only place WWaW on a O.T. angel?

It only searches for an OT angel, but then it says "Place on your angel."  That means any of your angels.  And you don't even have to find an OT angel, you can just play this card, shuffle deck, and then place it on any angel you own and control.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: megamanlan on June 06, 2012, 02:03:09 PM
Yep, I used to use it on NT Mike, but I switched for OT Mike because I can actually search for it.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: wyatt_marcum on June 06, 2012, 02:07:02 PM
same here.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Drrek on June 06, 2012, 02:14:42 PM
Quote from: Redoubter on June 06, 2012, 01:25:16 PM
Quote from: tripleplayNo3 on June 06, 2012, 01:18:47 PM
Can't you only place WWaW on a O.T. angel?

It only searches for an OT angel, but then it says "Place on your angel."  That means any of your angels.  And you don't even have to find an OT angel, you can just play this card, shuffle deck, and then place it on any angel you own and control.

You don't even have to shuffle your deck, you could just look through your discard (which could be helpful in many cases since you can't just look through there whenever you want)
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: STAMP on June 06, 2012, 02:39:57 PM
And we can have 2 Wheels in a deck now?
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: megamanlan on June 06, 2012, 03:28:07 PM
Only in T2.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Redoubter on June 06, 2012, 03:36:53 PM
Quote from: STAMP on June 06, 2012, 02:39:57 PM
And we can have 2 Wheels in a deck now?
Quote from: megamanlan on June 06, 2012, 03:28:07 PM
Only in T2.

In T2 you can only have 2, but there is no rule preventing you from having 2 or even 3 in T1.  You just have to have an appropriately sized deck (100+ or 150+, respectively).  The only restriction in T1 is for multi-brigade, which is defined as having 3 or more brigades.  Unless "multi-brigade" is going to be defined differently for T1 and T2, which is silly.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Ken4Christ4ever on June 06, 2012, 03:40:30 PM
I didn't catch this before. If this is true, I could have 3 copies of Egyptian Magicians in my type 1 deck (154 cards), which I would be very happy to do!
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: Drrek on June 06, 2012, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: Redoubter on June 06, 2012, 03:36:53 PM
Quote from: STAMP on June 06, 2012, 02:39:57 PM
And we can have 2 Wheels in a deck now?
Quote from: megamanlan on June 06, 2012, 03:28:07 PM
Only in T2.

In T2 you can only have 2, but there is no rule preventing you from having 2 or even 3 in T1.  You just have to have an appropriately sized deck (100+ or 150+, respectively).  The only restriction in T1 is for multi-brigade, which is defined as having 3 or more brigades.  Unless "multi-brigade" is going to be defined differently for T1 and T2, which is silly.

Actually I believe the rule is still one one of dual-color cards in type I regardless of deck size.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: browarod on June 06, 2012, 04:19:13 PM
As far as I can tell, the only distinction cards with exactly 2 brigades have is in T2 where they specifically have a rule allowing 2 per deck. There is no such rule addendum in T1, so we are left with them still falling under the "multicolor" category (not multi-brigade as Redoubter thought) and thus limited to 1 per deck. And yes, dual-brigade is considered "multicolor" otherwise Invoking Terror wouldn't be able to put itself under deck without some considerable work adding a 3rd brigade to one of the bi-color ones.
Title: Re: Wheel Within a Wheel (FF2)
Post by: megamanlan on June 06, 2012, 04:49:36 PM
That's true. The current rule doesn't allow copies of Dual-brigade cards in T1, most likely because they didn't think it was nessessary.
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