Author Topic: IaS vs the Cannot be Prevented LS (Read 2840 times)

Daniel TS RED · « **on:** August 06, 2010, 03:52:21 PM »

Can the CbP LS be stopped by IaS? I'm now thinking no, but kinda unsure.

Daniel

p.s. The REG is down, so can't post the abilities, but i'd say this is a cupcake answer for those that know.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #1 on:** August 06, 2010, 03:55:38 PM »

CBN, CBI, and CBP SAs are not negatable/interruptable/preventable. So, no, IaS would not stop the CBP LS's ability from granting its status.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #2 on:** August 06, 2010, 04:24:48 PM »

with YMT. However, the CBP Soul would not provide the CBP status while IaS is up.

Korunks · « **Reply #3 on:** August 06, 2010, 04:25:24 PM »

Actually I would rule that it does, CBP abilities can be negated after they have been played. The CBP lost soul ability was in play before IaS was activated, therefore is negatable by IaS.

Reference here

Smokey · « **Reply #4 on:** August 06, 2010, 04:26:11 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on August 06, 2010, 04:24:48 PM

with YMT. However, the CBP Soul would not provide the CBP status while IaS is up.

I agree with you, except I disagree.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #5 on:** August 06, 2010, 04:31:02 PM »

Actually, it does stop it, but not because of how you think it does. The first clause on the CBP says "unless a covanent is in play". Since IaS is a covenant, activating it would stop the CBP.

It's almost like it was planned that way. Oh, right, it was.

Korunks · « **Reply #6 on:** August 06, 2010, 04:32:45 PM »

Well even if that line wasn't there I am still correct

crustpope · « **Reply #7 on:** August 06, 2010, 11:17:11 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on August 06, 2010, 04:32:45 PM

Well even if that line wasn't there I am still correct

Actually....NO. If that first line of the CBP LS's SA was not there, then The CBP LS would ALWAYS give CBP status to the first evil enhancement played. The reaons is that anything that grants CBP status, cannot, itslef, be prevented. Similar to CBN status, andything that grants CBN status cannot iteslf be negated. SO I would rule that it would continue to work much like CBN status.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #8 on:** August 06, 2010, 11:26:27 PM »

That is essentially what I meant. Silly YMT didn't notice that IaS was a covenant....

Daniel TS RED · « **Reply #9 on:** August 07, 2010, 01:49:45 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on August 06, 2010, 11:26:27 PM

That is essentially what I meant. Silly YMT didn't notice that IaS was a covenant....

I missed it too...thanks for the help guys.

Daniel

Josh · « **Reply #10 on:** August 09, 2010, 12:36:03 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on August 06, 2010, 11:17:11 PM

Actually....NO. If that first line of the CBP LS's SA was not there, then The CBP LS would ALWAYS give CBP status to the first evil enhancement played. The reaons is that anything that grants CBP status, cannot, itslef, be prevented. Similar to CBN status, andything that grants CBN status cannot iteslf be negated. SO I would rule that it would continue to work much like CBN status.

Actually, if the first line of the CBP LS was not there, and I am Salvation was active when the CBP LS was drawn, then the CBP LS would grant the CBP status to the first evil enhancement of each battle. I am Salvation would try to stop the CBP LS ahead of time, but it can't, since the CBP LS is CBP.

If the first line of the CBP LS was not there and it was in play, and then the opponent flips up I am Salvation, the CBP LS would be negated, since it can be stopped afterwards by an interrupt or negate.

I'm pretty sure that's how it would work. And now that I think of it, assume scenario 1 above (IaS active before CBP LS drawn). The CBP LS would only work for one round, since IaS technically deactivates and reactivates every prep phase. At the point of reactivation, the CBP LS would be negated... Am I correct on this? I know I am assuming the CBP LS doesn't have the first line of its special ability, but I would like to make sure I understand CBP correctly.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #11 on:** August 09, 2010, 01:25:28 PM »

Let's make this clearer please. What about CBP Lost Soul versus IAS played as a green enhancement IN BATTLE? Now who wins?

Korunks · « **Reply #12 on:** August 09, 2010, 02:14:26 PM »

IaS wins, because of the ruling in the thread I linked too, CBP cards CAN be negated after they are played, therefore the enhancement would lose it's CBP status.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #13 on:** August 09, 2010, 04:50:00 PM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on August 09, 2010, 01:25:28 PM

Let's make this clearer please. What about CBP Lost Soul versus IAS played as a green enhancement IN BATTLE? Now who wins?

Even in battle, IaS is a covenant. It is just not an artifact.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #14 on:** August 09, 2010, 11:55:25 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on August 09, 2010, 04:50:00 PM

Quote from: stefferweffer on August 09, 2010, 01:25:28 PM
Let's make this clearer please. What about CBP Lost Soul versus IAS played as a green enhancement IN BATTLE? Now who wins?

Even in battle, IaS is a covenant. It is just not an artifact.

I did not know that. I thought in battle it is an enhancement.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #15 on:** August 10, 2010, 12:00:18 AM »

A covenant is always a covenant. In battle it's a covenant and an enhancement, and when activated as an artifact it's a covenant and and artifact. Same applies to curses.

As far as I know, in deck they're only considered covenants, but in hand you can treat them as covenants, artifacts, and enhancement. Though I'm not really positive on this point.

Korunks · « **Reply #16 on:** August 10, 2010, 09:46:28 AM »

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A covenant is always a covenant.

Citation please.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #17 on:** August 10, 2010, 10:06:32 AM »

Quote from: Arch Angel on August 10, 2010, 12:00:18 AM

A covenant is always a covenant. In battle it's a covenant and an enhancement, and when activated as an artifact it's a covenant and and artifact. Same applies to curses.

As far as I know, in deck they're only considered covenants, but in hand you can treat them as covenants, artifacts, and enhancement. Though I'm not really positive on this point.

I'm fairly certain that in hand it is a Covenant only. I asked if you could discard one from hand to satisfy Uzzah's requirement and the answer was "No."

Professoralstad · « **Reply #18 on:** August 10, 2010, 10:21:43 AM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on August 10, 2010, 10:06:32 AM

Quote from: Arch Angel on August 10, 2010, 12:00:18 AM
A covenant is always a covenant. In battle it's a covenant and an enhancement, and when activated as an artifact it's a covenant and and artifact. Same applies to curses.

As far as I know, in deck they're only considered covenants, but in hand you can treat them as covenants, artifacts, and enhancement. Though I'm not really positive on this point.
I'm fairly certain that in hand it is a Covenant only. I asked if you could discard one from hand to satisfy Uzzah's requirement and the answer was "No."

But you can. Who'd you ask?

A Covenant/Curse in deck or discard pile can only be targeted by a card that says "Covenant/Curse" or a more general targeter (good/evil/any card). So Gabe cannot discard one, and you can't search for one with Eli the Priest (Blue) or The Magi.

A Covenant/Curse in play can always be targeted as a covenant/curse, and is otherwise only targeted as it's other function. So if it is being used as an Artifact, it can be targeted as an Artifact, but not an enhancement, and vice versa.

A Cov/Curse in your hand can be used as anything. Uzzah can use it as an Artifact, and Zimri can use it as an Enhancement. They can even go in Storehouse (and are targetable as enhancements while there). This was ruled on awhile ago.

A Cove/Curse in your opponent's hand can only be targeted as in deck: only as a cov/curse or a more general targeter. So a card that discarded an enhancement from your opponent's hand could not target a cov/curse.

I think that's everything. Any other questions about the issue? It tends to come up quite a bit.

Korunks · « **Reply #19 on:** August 10, 2010, 11:31:22 AM »

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A Covenant/Curse in deck or discard pile can only be targeted by a card that says "Covenant/Curse" or a more general targeter (good/evil/any card). So Gabe cannot discard one, and you can't search for one with Eli the Priest (Blue) or The Magi.

A Covenant/Curse in play can always be targeted as a covenant/curse, and is otherwise only targeted as it's other function. So if it is being used as an Artifact, it can be targeted as an Artifact, but not an enhancement, and vice versa.

A Cov/Curse in your hand can be used as anything. Uzzah can use it as an Artifact, and Zimri can use it as an Enhancement. They can even go in Storehouse (and are targetable as enhancements while there). This was ruled on awhile ago.

A Cove/Curse in your opponent's hand can only be targeted as in deck: only as a cov/curse or a more general targeter. So a card that discarded an enhancement from your opponent's hand could not target a cov/curse.

Is this recorded any where else?? This is the first time I have ever seen it written out here on the forums. Is it actually in the REG?

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #20 on:** August 10, 2010, 11:42:59 AM »

Quote from: Korunks on August 10, 2010, 11:31:22 AM

Is this recorded any where else?? This is the first time I have ever seen it written out here on the forums. Is it actually in the REG?

It's a compilation of rulings on threads that are all over the place. I doubt it is all spelled out in the REG, but the "other Prof" is correct.

Let me just take this opportunity to apologize to everyone for the REG being so out of date, and the "new REG" being so long in coming.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #21 on:** August 10, 2010, 12:54:53 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on August 10, 2010, 11:42:59 AM

Quote from: Korunks on August 10, 2010, 11:31:22 AM
Is this recorded any where else?? This is the first time I have ever seen it written out here on the forums. Is it actually in the REG?
It's a compilation of rulings on threads that are all over the place. I doubt it is all spelled out in the REG, but the "other Prof" is correct.

Let me just take this opportunity to apologize to everyone for the REG being so out of date, and Duke Nukem Forever being so long in coming.

Fixed.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #22 on:** August 10, 2010, 01:02:19 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on August 09, 2010, 02:14:26 PM

IaS wins, because of the ruling in the thread I linked too, CBP cards CAN be negated after they are played, therefore the enhancement would lose it's CBP status.

Isn't CBP status different than CBN status? I was under the impression that CBN can't have ANYTHING to stop it EVER, but CBP can be negated, since it is specific to just being Prevented?

crustpope · « **Reply #23 on:** August 10, 2010, 01:31:44 PM »

Quote from: Master_Chi on August 10, 2010, 01:02:19 PM

Quote from: Korunks on August 09, 2010, 02:14:26 PM
IaS wins, because of the ruling in the thread I linked too, CBP cards CAN be negated after they are played, therefore the enhancement would lose it's CBP status.

Isn't CBP status different than CBN status? I was under the impression that CBN can't have ANYTHING to stop it EVER, but CBP can be negated, since it is specific to just being Prevented?

It can, but the negate has to be played after the CBP card. CBP cannot be stopped from being played, but it can be interrrupted and /or negated after it is played. This is why the ability on the CBP LS cannot be prevented except by fulfilling hte first line of its SA ("unless a covenant is in play....")

If that first line was NOT present on that LS, then NOTHING could prevent the first enhancement being played in battle while that LS was in play. It could be negated by something played AFTERWORDS but not before. ( but this is really a non issue since IaS is obviously a covenant and therefore negates it (not due to its SA) but doe to its status as being a covenant.

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Author Topic: IaS vs the Cannot be Prevented LS (Read 2840 times)

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