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What happens to Doubt?
« on: May 14, 2010, 10:15:14 PM »
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I know we've played Doubt that it is discarded at the end of the turn...but why? It changes back to a dominant, but why would it have to leave your territory? Just curious what the reasoning behind this was...
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2010, 10:18:26 PM »
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Orange Non-Demon EC, C'mon this could be abused or even possibly broken
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2010, 10:42:09 PM »
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In the way buckler (WA) is broken yes. That IS a good point, why IS it a d/c'd? :D Glory stays.
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2010, 11:34:21 PM »
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Because it says "this card becomes an orange evil character TILL THE END OF THE CURRENT TURN."

That quote is from my mind, so I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.  ::)
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2010, 11:39:06 PM »
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Quote from: lightningninja on May 14, 2010, 11:34:21 PM
Because it says "this card becomes an orange evil character TILL THE END OF THE CURRENT TURN."

That quote is from my mind, so I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.  ::)
Yep, that's what it says. But where does it say that it is discarded? Just because it changes back to a dominant, that doesn't mean it has to be discarded, does it?
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2010, 11:44:41 PM »
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I'm pretty sure if it doesn't get used in battle, it goes back to your hand. at least that's how my old playgroup leader used to use it.....
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 11:46:11 PM »
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Quote from: that one kid on May 14, 2010, 11:44:41 PM
I'm pretty sure if it doesn't get used in battle, it goes back to your hand. at least that's how my old playgroup leader used to use it.....
I'm 99.999% sure that is not how this is played. If it was, though, that would be great TGT defense.
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2010, 11:52:16 PM »
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Yeah.... I didn't think so either. That deck always pwnd me because of that stupid card. but now I use it in my secondary defense.  ;D
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2010, 11:52:29 PM »
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Place in territory.  Holder’s Solomon’s Temple and the Artifact in it cannot be discarded or negated by an opponent.  Discard this card if Asherah Pole is in holder’s Solomon’s Temple.  

Place in any territory. When played, this card becomes an orange brigade 0/12 Evil Character until end of turn.

I was going to say the reason Glory stays is because it says Place, but then I realized Doubt says the exact same thing. Why does Doubt go to the discard pile, while Glory does not?
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2010, 12:01:10 AM »
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Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on May 14, 2010, 11:52:29 PM
I was going to say the reason Glory stays is because it says Place, but then I realized Doubt says the exact same thing.
Would it even make a difference if it didn't?
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2010, 12:03:14 AM »
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it would be awesome to have doubt in my territory and my opponent makes a RA with tep nathan then i could shuffle it back in my deck ^_^
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2010, 12:18:03 AM »
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Quote from: Ryupeco11 on May 15, 2010, 12:03:14 AM
it would be awesome to have doubt in my territory and my opponent makes a RA with tep nathan then i could shuffle it back in my deck ^_^
Or to reuse it again after an ANB, or to have it as Discarder fodder...the applications are dizzying!
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2010, 12:23:34 AM »
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Exactly. :D
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2010, 01:23:17 AM »
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Final answer?
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2010, 11:59:40 AM »
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2010, 12:09:41 PM »
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2010, 12:14:27 PM »
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interesting. here is how i see it happening:

1. place doubt in a territory.
2. doubt becomes an orange brigade evil character.
3. doubt ceases to be an orange brigade evil character at end of turn.
4. since there is no language that suggests it is discarded, due to it being 'placed', it would stick around until removed from play.

that is how i logically see it.
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2010, 12:19:43 PM »
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Quote from: Master KChief on May 20, 2010, 12:14:27 PM
interesting. here is how i see it happening:

1. place doubt in a territory.
2. doubt becomes an orange brigade evil character.
3. doubt ceases to be an orange brigade evil character at end of turn.
4. since there is no language that suggests it is discarded, due to it being 'placed', it would stick around until removed from play.

that is how i logically see it.

So it would stick around in which part of your territory? I just hope that a ptb can rule on this quickly, if so i'ma make a deck around that
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2010, 12:45:32 PM »
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Quote from: Master KChief on May 20, 2010, 12:14:27 PM
interesting. here is how i see it happening:

1. place doubt in a territory.
2. doubt becomes an orange brigade evil character.
3. doubt ceases to be an orange brigade evil character at end of turn.
4. since there is no language that suggests it is discarded, due to it being 'placed', it would stick around until removed from play.

that is how i logically see it.
That's how I see it as well.
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2010, 05:23:46 PM »
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Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on May 14, 2010, 11:52:29 PM
I was going to say the reason Glory stays is because it says Place, but then I realized Doubt says the exact same thing. Why does Doubt go to the discard pile, while Glory does not?
Quote from: Master KChief on May 20, 2010, 12:14:27 PM
since there is no language that suggests it is discarded, due to it being 'placed', it would stick around until removed from play.
I am also unsure of why Doubt would be discarded if it survived the battle.  I think having a PTB post here is a good idea.
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2010, 07:19:52 PM »
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Nice thinking!  :)

I don't know why it should be discarded.  Going strictly by the rules, it seems to me that it should stick around doing nothing, as a dominant, in your territory where surviving evil characters would normally be.
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2010, 07:34:57 PM »
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Oh wonderful... We now have a card which for 4 years was discarded(Like it's suposed too)  now sit in terratory.(OMGosh) this is wonderful.(Sarcasm)
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2010, 07:39:17 PM »
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I Doubt it.
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2010, 07:44:25 PM »
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Quote from: RED on May 20, 2010, 07:34:57 PM
Oh wonderful... We now have a card which for 4 years was discarded(Like it's suposed too)  now sit in terratory.(OMGosh) this is wonderful.(Sarcasm)
Instead of useless, spamming sarcasm, can you explain why this is a bad thing?
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Re: What happens to Doubt?
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