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"not in battle"
« on: March 03, 2010, 07:55:17 PM »
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So Lampstand of the Sanctuary protects cards not in play (Land of Redemption):

Lampstand of the Sanctuary
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect all cards not in battle from evil Dominants (grim-reaper icon cards). • Identifiers: OT, Tabernacle Item, Temple Item • Verse: Exodus 25:31 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Ultra Rare)

With that precedence, let's look at these other cards:

Bravery of Priscilla
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: White • Ability: 2 / 1 • Class: none • Special Ability: Interrupt the battle and protect all heroes not in battle from all evil enhancements this turn. • Errata: Interrupt the battle and protect all Heroes in holder's territory from "harm or negative effect" until end of turn. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Romans 16:3-4 • Availability: H Deck

Should the errata be removed?

Abishai’s Spear
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Red • Ability: 3 / 2 • Class: Weapon • Special Ability: Protect all red brigade Heroes not in battle from harm. • Identifiers: OT, Depicts a Weapon • Verse: II Samuel 23:18

Are face down red brigade heroes protected?

Royal Protection
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place this enhancement on any good King not in battle. The King is healed and protected from harm. Discard Royal Protection when King enters battle. • Identifiers: OT, Depicts a Weapon • Verse: II Kings 11:2

Can I heal my good king that's been in the discard pile for several turns?

Wall of Water
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 3 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: Interrupt the current battle to give all Heroes not in the Field of battle protection from damage this turn. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Exodus 14:29 • Availability: Warriors booster packs (Common)

What if I made an RA with a blue Genesis hero, played Wall of Water followed by Answer to Prayer or Numerous as the Stars?  Is the hero I add to battle protected from damage this turn?
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Re: "not in battle"
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2010, 07:58:47 PM »
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Falling Away and Mayhem users be watchful...the cracks in one of the strangest rulings in Redemption are beginning to show...
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Re: "not in battle"
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2010, 08:09:31 PM »
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Not really, the implications of its affect on other cards are coming to light. That being said, here's my response:

Wall of Water: Ongoing, thus once the hero is in battle, he's no longer 'not in battle' and thus unprotected.

Royal Protection: This is the one that I like the least, I think it works.

Abishai's Spear: Hmmm. I think he's protected also, though honestly this doesn't have nearly as many implications as the Royal Protection one.

Bravery of Priscilla: No, leave the errata - It protects characters in the discard pile from being removed via Forgotten history etc. I don't think there's a problem with that right?

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Re: "not in battle"
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2010, 10:09:36 PM »
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FD characters have no brigade.
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Re: "not in battle"
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2010, 10:50:09 PM »
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Royal Protection: This is the one that I like the least, I think it works.
Because of the healing ability of Royal Protection, it can be played outside of battle as well, correct?
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Re: "not in battle"
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2010, 12:15:47 AM »
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Royal Protection would be limited by the game rule about healing, methinks, so you can only target cards that are heal-able (characters in territory or that were discarded in the turn in which RP was played). Just my :2cents:

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Re: "not in battle"
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 01:01:35 AM »
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Royal Protection would be limited by the game rule about healing, methinks, so you can only target cards that are heal-able (characters in territory or that were discarded in the turn in which RP was played). Just my :2cents:
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Re: "not in battle"
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2010, 07:49:02 PM »
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Unless stated otherwise, I think protect should only target cards in play. Lampstand of the Sanctuary is an example of a card that states otherwise.

I don't believe that is a current ruling in the REG, but suggest it would be a good "default condition". Do you agree?

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Re: "not in battle"
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2010, 08:50:17 PM »
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Unless stated otherwise, I think protect should only target cards in play. Lampstand of the Sanctuary is an example of a card that states otherwise.

I don't believe that is a current ruling in the REG, but suggest it would be a good "default condition". Do you agree?

Mike

Actually, the reason I started the thread was because Lampstand is worded the same as the other cards listed.  Based on the precedence of Lampstand, I was questioning whether that translated to be the same ruling for the other cards.
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Re: "not in battle"
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 09:16:53 PM »
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Can I heal my good king that's been in the discard pile for several turns?
No.
Not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, but when in the world are these situations actually going to occur?!? I mean come on, not one person has used one of those cards in any sort of competitive deck, tournament, or anything. I can understand starting this thread to change Lampstand, I guess, but everything is fine the way it is. These situations will never, never, ever happen, and if they do it's not a big problem, and does not harm the game in any way. You forgot those cards were errated well before Lampstand was made and there has been no need to ever bring it up. If the errata needs to be removed good thinking, but the new reg is not out yet so I would not worry about it.

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Re: "not in battle"
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2010, 11:17:14 PM »
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I don't care how it's always been and I don't care what the old or new REG says.

"not in battle" should be exactly the same for every card that uses it.  It should be consistent.



And since I started this thread I have the power, so...

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