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Do placed enhancements activate before or after hero abilities?
« on: February 28, 2009, 09:28:28 PM »
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Either way, Jacob + Obedience of Noah + Reuben's Torn Clothes (one place and one played by his ability so Obedience activates first) is crazy.
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Re: Do placed enhancements activate before or after hero abilities?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2009, 10:31:21 PM »
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Hm... I think it depends on the hero. For example, gathering on Ehud takes place before Ehud's ability, because banding is before ctb. But provisions would activate after jacob, for the same reason mentioned. Yes, that's crazy.  :)
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Re: Do placed enhancements activate before or after hero abilities?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2009, 10:51:17 PM »
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Placed enhancements activate at the same time as a weapon-class enhancement would activate.
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Re: Do placed enhancements activate before or after hero abilities?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2009, 03:35:57 AM »
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Hey,

I believe placed enhancements activate as a response to the hero entering battle, which means they would activate similar to when Hidden Treasures triggers which would be after abilities on characters and their weapons (including choose the blocker abilities).

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Re: Do placed enhancements activate before or after hero abilities?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2009, 10:14:14 AM »
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Wow, Hidden Treasures activates after Choose the Blocker abilities?  Does that include Provisions?
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Re: Do placed enhancements activate before or after hero abilities?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2009, 10:33:27 AM »
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Quote from: SirNobody on March 01, 2009, 03:35:57 AM
Hey,

I believe placed enhancements activate as a response to the hero entering battle, which means they would activate similar to when Hidden Treasures triggers which would be after abilities on characters and their weapons (including choose the blocker abilities).

Tschow,

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I started a whole thread about when placed enhancements activate... I don't think it truely came to a solid conclusion.

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=12931.0

*EDIT* ^ That is what I meant to say, lol.

Quote from: MichaelHue on March 01, 2009, 10:14:14 AM
Wow, Hidden Treasures activates after Choose the Blocker abilities?  Does that include Provisions?

Oh yes.... and it is GLORIOUS.  ;D
« Last Edit: March 01, 2009, 02:36:57 PM by Lamborghini_diablo »
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Re: Do placed enhancements activate before or after hero abilities?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2009, 02:10:12 PM »
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Hey,

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on March 01, 2009, 10:33:27 AM
I started a whole thread about when placed enhancements activate, and I argued even placed CTB enhs would activate when you just said... I got majorly shot down by numerous officials, who said ALL CTB abilities activate last. >.>

You wouldn't happen to be able to link me to that thread would you?

The key difference here is triggered abilities vs. activated abilities.  The ability gained by provisions is gained by the hero and it activates when the character enters battle.  The ability on a weapon class enhancement activates when the hero enters battle.  Hidden Treasures on the other hand activates during the preparation phase and then is triggered when the hero enters battle.  When a hero enters battle all abilities that activate (including banding and choose the blocker) are carried out before any abilities that are triggered.

A placed enhancement (placed by an ability like Agur) activates not because it enters battle but because a trigger in the ability that placed the card there causes it to activate.   So it follows the timing of a triggered ability.

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Re: Do placed enhancements activate before or after hero abilities?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2009, 02:31:17 PM »
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odd, I thought I edited that post to say something different and link the thread.... I'll do that now.

*EDIT*

While reading through that thread, I just found this funny.

Quote from: SirNobody on September 28, 2008, 01:20:50 AM
I guess maybe if you're trying to apply an english definition to "immediately" but haven't we all learned by now not to apply english definitions to Redemption words :)

Then in the Arrogance thread you proceeded to give two "English lessons."  :D
« Last Edit: March 01, 2009, 02:38:36 PM by Lamborghini_diablo »
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Re: Do placed enhancements activate before or after hero abilities?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2009, 06:06:00 PM »
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I'm not sure about that... cause wouldn't gathering activate after Ehud?
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Re: Do placed enhancements activate before or after hero abilities?
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2009, 07:08:01 PM »
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Hey,

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on March 01, 2009, 10:33:27 AM
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=12931.0

That thread (especially the second page) expresses my understanding of this matter very well.  But since you didn't feel that threat came to a clear resolution I'm guessing you're looking for someone other than me to confirm my conclusion in that thread :)

Quote from: fireninja on March 01, 2009, 06:06:00 PM
I'm not sure about that... cause wouldn't gathering activate after Ehud?

A gathered Ehud would have three abilites: (1) choose the blocker, (2) first strike (3) banding.  First strike would activate first because it does not add any cards to battle.  Banding would activate second because choose the blocker has to activate last.

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Re: Do placed enhancements activate before or after hero abilities?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2009, 07:20:07 PM »
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Quote from: SirNobody on March 01, 2009, 07:08:01 PM
That thread (especially the second page) expresses my understanding of this matter very well.  But since you didn't feel that threat came to a clear resolution I'm guessing you're looking for someone other than me to confirm my conclusion in that thread :)

Well, its not so much that I want someone else to give an official ruling so much as that thread just kinda stops with both sides still in disagreeance.
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