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I refer to my older post. You're talking to the top people who establish rules. They are making sense, even if you don't understand them. I don't all the time as well. It's perfectly fine. Just don't be all up in their faces, and stop being rude. If you can't follow a ruling don't try.

Hey,

Which is true?

Both, except for the typo in the end of the first quote that says shuffle when it should say discard.

so are we gonna cheat and not play by game rules or are we gonna play by game rules?

Cheating is bad, we're not going to do that   I'm not quite sure what you're trying to get at with your post.  Sometimes one game rule supersedes another game rule which causes the lesser game rule not to be followed, but that's still following the game rules as a whole.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Hey,

How can it be true that both cards that are protected from effect are not protected from effect by game rules, while at the same time cards the are protected from discard are protected from game rules?

"effect" in Redemption is a word we use to refer to the strength, toughness, and special abilities of one or more cards.  So a card that is protected from "effect" is protected from special abilities (and strength and toughness, but that's kinda irrelevant).  Game rules are not an "effect" so being protected from "effect" does not protect you from game rules.

You have to be careful when applying English meanings to word used in a Redemption context because often the Redemption meaning of a word isn't exactly the same as the English meaning of the word.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Yeah, to protect from discarding in the territory, not shuffle when the game resets.

This discussion is not relating to ANB.

the way i see it is that people put goshen/KoTW in their deck for a reson. to protect, but, if it doesnt protect what is the meaning of it?

Goshen and Kingdoms of the World have become much less powerful.

I don't really care about ANB(I think that ruling is correct because the REG says it is), but placing characters in Kingdoms of the World is just giving your opponent an easy way to discard 3 evil characters.

Well maybe not "easy" but it has happened to me more then once, so it can be done.

Quote from: Janissary on July 04, 2009, 11:52:16 PM

Since when is discarding NT fortresses easy? OTs are hard enough.

im sorry did we say it was easy? we didnt mean to. and stop refering to ANB it has nothing to do with this topic this topic is about KoTW and the lord fights for you and those two cards only. stay on topic.

ANB is on topic. It's a precedent to compare the discarding scenario to. SJS agrees that ANB should shuffle character in KOTW. Naturally, Logically, one would assume then, that guys in a KOTW being discarding would be discarding as well. Makes sense to most people, and is hardly gambreaking. It probably improves the game, aside from the fact that it brings in some consistancy.

and lets put it this way ok? vengance of eternal fire discards a lost soul site so does that mean that the LS is discarded as well since it is obviously following the site just like evil characters follow KoTW?

this topic is about KoTW and the lord fights for you and those two cards only. stay on topic.

Don't say things you don't mean and maybe you'd get more respect.

P.S. That's an exception to the rule due to game state (Location being in the land of bondage) jsut as much as captured heroes are exceptions to certain rules, etc.

Quote from: Janissary on July 05, 2009, 12:09:18 AM

If it isn't likely to happen constantly, why get upset about it? Theres's much more devastating rules out there.

i dont know if you have noticed this or not.. but people seem to discus things like this all the time on here... :/

Because your version of discussing is going better? You rehash things repeatedly and then get mad once your point is clearly rebutted by much more expirienced rule enforcers and from the REG. This argument was done halfway through page 2 on both logic and game rule.

Because your version of discussing is going better? You rehash things repeatedly and then get mad once your point is clearly rebutted by much more expirienced rule enforcers and from the REG. This argument was done halfway through page 2 on both logic and game rule.

Crearly rebutted by the REG? The REG sides with us on this point.

What offline REG?

I'm going to change my wording up there. It's poor phrasing. I just updates that need to be made to the REG are clearly kept somewhere and there is a foolproof REG somewhere. It's clearly offline, and so, I used the phrase offline REG.

PS @ Da Muzik Maker: If I discard your Goliath with Goliath's Armor on it with The Lord Fights for You, his armor stays in play right? I mean, I targeted Goliath, not the armor.

Notice the ignorance of similar situations establishing precedence for my example. At least counter our arguments please.

Protect is an ability that means a special ability or other effect cannot target the card in question.  This is in the REG, if not also in the rulebook.

Kingdoms of the World protects the Evil Characters inside, meaning that an effect cannot target them.

If a card or cards have been placed "on" - or "in" or what have you - another card, then those cards follow the original.  This is in the REG.

Lost Souls are an exception because the REG states that they remain in the Land of Bondage.  This is in the REG.

Weapons have their own special rules regarding how they are treated.  This is in the rulebook.

Therefore, when a card targets Kingdoms of the World, it is KotW that is discarded, or shuffled, or whatever.  The other cards follow it by game rule.  They are not being targeted by the card that was played, they are following the card they're in.

The protection may not be applicable if you are targeting the Fortress directly, but the fact remains that the protection still stops them from being targeted by other cards.  You cannot play Angel of the Lord on an Evil Character in the Fortress.  You cannot target any of those Evil Characters with Zeal for the Lord.  David's Music does not affect them.  The protection may not be as complete as you think because there's a back door to get rid of them, but it is still there, and still effective.

Gabe quoted the relevant section of the REG in his opening post, which was the entire reason for his question.

I'm really not interested in playing this game.  Everything I stated above has been posted on this thread at some point.  All of the statements I have made are what the current rules are.  That is how the cards are played and the reasons they are played that way.