Author Topic: "Number of brigades opponent has" (Read 4606 times)

TimMierz · « **on:** September 23, 2008, 08:08:11 PM »

Player A has only Blue Heroes in play. He attacks with Jacob, banding to his opponent's silver Hero. Vitellius blocks. How many cards does the blocker draw?

Vitellius: You may draw X cards. Cannot be negated by a good card.
X=number of good brigades opponent has in play

soul seeker · « **Reply #1 on:** September 23, 2008, 08:32:54 PM »

I would vote 2.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #2 on:** September 23, 2008, 08:49:36 PM »

I say one. Opponent has implies ownership.

soul seeker · « **Reply #3 on:** September 23, 2008, 09:03:28 PM »

yeah, but they have it on their side of play at time of card....then again, i tried to have an enslaved "Amelekites Slave" count for two more evil brigades against my opponent

Arch Angel · « **Reply #4 on:** September 23, 2008, 09:08:33 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on September 23, 2008, 09:03:28 PM

i tried to have an enslaved "Amelekites Slave" count for two more evil brigades against my opponent

That's just silly, captured cards don't have brigades anymore

But, I do agree that the rescuing player would have 2 brigades because he would be controlling the silver hero in battle.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #5 on:** September 23, 2008, 09:09:40 PM »

But the opponent doesn't truly have the card in play, You do, he is just using it.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 23, 2008, 09:15:56 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on September 23, 2008, 08:49:36 PM

I say one. Opponent has implies ownership.

He controls it you don't.

SirNobody · « **Reply #7 on:** September 23, 2008, 09:31:31 PM »

Hey,

I believe "has" is the verb that equates to the noun "holder." So it would count the number of brigades on cards that he holds which would include the opponent's character he banded to.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly, WildCard Secretary of Defense
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TimMierz · « **Reply #8 on:** September 23, 2008, 09:37:46 PM »

Why does it relate to "holder" rather than "you"/"yours"?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #9 on:** September 23, 2008, 10:00:44 PM »

Food for thought: What if it was the number of evil brigades your opponent has in play and your Seven Wicked Spirits was in their territory. Would you count that?

I think any character you control should count.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #10 on:** September 23, 2008, 10:04:37 PM »

I agree with RR, Gabe, and Tim. "Opponent has" means cards that are your opponent's. And "your" means ownership AND control.

If it is not your opponent's card, then he doesn't really "have" it. He is only "borrowing" it for that point of the game.

Gabe · « **Reply #11 on:** September 24, 2008, 09:22:27 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on September 23, 2008, 10:04:37 PM

I agree with RR, Gabe, and Tim. "Opponent has" means cards that are your opponent's. And "your" means ownership AND control.

If it is not your opponent's card, then he doesn't really "have" it. He is only "borrowing" it for that point of the game.

I always assumed that Prof stood for Professor, but now I'm thinking it might stand for Prophet. You agreed with Gabe and he hadn't even posted on this thread!!! ... yet.

The same verbage used on Vitellius was also used on Job Overcomes.

Quote from: Job Overcomes

For each evil brigade your opponent has in play,...

We find here, here and here that you only count cards that you both own and control when determining the value for brigades "your opponent has in play".

That means that the controler of Vitellius only draws one card in Tim's example.

If that wasn't the case, mean people like RR and Lambo would do things like make you block with their Self and play Job Overcomes to make you discard 7!

TimMierz · « **Reply #12 on:** September 24, 2008, 09:25:09 AM »

Thanks for finding those old links, Gabe! I knew that there was some precedent behind it. I even remember thinking about doing the Self/Job Overcomes trick in my Genesis deck, until learning that such a thing is illegal. I didn't connect that to this case though. Excellent.

It also makes me happy that we played it right in last night's game.

michael/michaelssword · « **Reply #13 on:** September 24, 2008, 09:38:35 AM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on September 24, 2008, 09:22:27 AM

If that wasn't the case, mean people like RR and Lambo would do things like make you block with their Self and play Job Overcomes to make you discard 7!

He'll figure out a way to do it anyways

duh he always does

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #14 on:** September 24, 2008, 11:29:24 AM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on September 24, 2008, 09:22:27 AM

I always assumed that Prof stood for Professor, but now I'm thinking it might stand for Prophet. You agreed with Gabe and he hadn't even posted on this thread!!! ... yet.

That is weird, I really thought I had seen you commenting on this before I wrote. In fact, I remember almost wording my agreement something along the lines of "how can the last 2 Nats champs be wrong?". Odd considering that I don't believe that God has given me any gifts of prophecy.

Oddly enough, professor isn't actually the most accurate either, since that title usually refers to teachers in college, while I only teach at the High School level. However, "Teacher Underwood" sounded pretty dumb to me, so I went with "Prof"

TimMierz · « **Reply #15 on:** September 24, 2008, 12:30:22 PM »

I also like how you "agreed with Tim" right after three different Tims in a row posted.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 24, 2008, 12:33:03 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on September 24, 2008, 11:29:24 AM

However, "Teacher Underwood" sounded pretty dumb to me, so I went with "Prof"

On that basis you may have wanted to go with "Caretaker Underwood." On a Dickensian coolness scale this would rate somewhere between Pecksniff and Pumblechook. (Nowhere near M'Choakumchild--but then again what is?)

Oh yeah, and Gabe is right.

The Schaef · « **Reply #17 on:** September 24, 2008, 01:24:09 PM »

For a moment, I thought you were going to say Mr. Bumble.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #18 on:** September 24, 2008, 03:04:45 PM »

Just as long as he's not professor Gradgrind.

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