Author Topic: Wasting Disease (Read 9576 times)

Lamborghini_diablo · « **on:** August 13, 2009, 12:06:18 AM »

I know Wasting Disease is considered a disease, but what heroes become diseased by it? Meaning, if I played Face of Death, what heroes would be killed? Just those with play next abilities, or all heroes?

Wasting Disease, Brown Curse, Prevent all good abilities that allow a player to play an Enhancement.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #1 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:11:31 AM »

I don't see how any heroes are "diseased" by this card. By definition, the heroes would have to be subject to a decrease.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #2 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:21:06 AM »

The disease is not being able to play enhancements. The diseased are those who normally could play enhancements.

Just my thoughts.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #3 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:23:36 AM »

The disease targets a SA, not a hero. Face of Death specifies "heroes who are diseased."

Face of Death has no effect in connection with Wasting Disease.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #4 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:25:06 AM »

The SA is part of the hero.

Alzhiemer's targets your brain, but your still ocnsiered diseased, because it is a part of you.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #5 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:26:26 AM »

Thanks Doctor, but this is just a game.

What if an artifact grants the SA. Does the artifact become diseased?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #6 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:29:03 AM »

Thanks for the sarcasm targeted at a legit comparison.

I would rule the heroes are diseased. I would use a comparison to a exoskeleton to explain it. If I am wearing an exoskeleton and it got a virus and malfunctioned, and I was stuck inside the armor, I would be affected by it.

In Redemption terms, diseased.

Master KChief · « **Reply #7 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:33:49 AM »

LOL, exoskeleton.

this isn't metal gear solid.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #8 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:34:08 AM »

But it is Halo.

Master KChief · « **Reply #9 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:35:06 AM »

...in that case, i agree with alex.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #10 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:35:21 AM »

It's neither. This is Crysis.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #11 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:39:05 AM »

Crysis is just Halo for PC, because Bungie is too $ to care about PCs anymore. Even Micro$oft doesn't care. Heck, you'd figure if they bought some stupid little mac game company, they'd have them make games for windows.

But no, they'd rather sell their console and make a bunch of money, only to have the fledging games makers buy back their indendence on 7/7/7.

Tru7h.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:41:24 AM »

Master KChief · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2009, 01:39:21 AM »

long live bungie.

frisian9 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 13, 2009, 07:22:43 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 13, 2009, 12:06:18 AM

I know Wasting Disease is considered a disease, but what heroes become diseased by it? Meaning, if I played Face of Death, what heroes would be killed? Just those with play next abilities, or all heroes?

Wasting Disease, Brown Curse, Prevent all good abilities that allow a player to play an Enhancement.

Nice discussion. However, nobody addressed the question. The Wasting Disease "disease" card targets the special ability "play an enhancement". Hence, the only characters Face of Death will be able to target are those that have that special ability. Ethiopian Treasurer comes to mind immediately. What I wonder is how to deal with characters that have one of the "Horsees" as a weapon-class enhancement (they include the "play an enhancement" special ability). What about a regular enhancement "on" a character at the time Face of Death is played?

The interesting question for me is that last issue - namely, whether a character is effected by the special ability on a card "on" a character. I am not sure.

Mike

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #15 on:** August 13, 2009, 08:31:13 PM »

Quote from: frisian9 on August 13, 2009, 07:22:43 PM

Nice discussion. However, nobody addressed the question. The Wasting Disease "disease" card targets the special ability "play an enhancement". Hence, the only characters Face of Death will be able to target are those that have that special ability.

That's what Alex said in his first post.

I still disagree, and your uncertainty about weapons is the reason. I would still argue that weapons, enhancements, artifacts, fortresses, etc. cannot be "diseased" by Redemption standards. This card should therefore have no impact in connection to Face of Death.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 13, 2009, 08:41:56 PM »

I would say that a character holding a "horsee" would not be diseased as a result of wasting disease. That character would not be able to use the ability of "play the next enhancement" but if face of death were played I would say they would not be discarded. The "horsee" is not part of that character (if you are a riding a diseased "horsee" you can just get off, if you have a diseased brain you cannot remove it without dying-the brain being the hero SA). Hope that made sense, but that is my two cents worth

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #17 on:** August 14, 2009, 01:36:35 AM »

Wasting Disease is not a disease card. However, it is very confusing as it has the word "Disease" in the title. This is similar to the fact that the original Poison card is not a poison card, because it does not have a poison ability.

Kirk

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #18 on:** August 14, 2009, 01:53:47 AM »

http://redemptionreg.com/REG/gloss_disease.htm

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“Disease” is a label given to certain cards which represent harmful diseases.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #19 on:** August 14, 2009, 02:10:24 AM »

I didn't realize Wasting Disease was on that list. Regardless, I have contested that Plagued with Diseases is not a disease card and should not be, and I will say the same about Wasting Disease. I talked with Tim Maly briefly about PwD at nationals, and he mentioned that it will not be considered a disease when the new REG comes out.

Kirk

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #20 on:** August 14, 2009, 07:58:19 AM »

There is a distinct difference here, though. PwD specifically targets heroes, as does Face of Death. Wasting Disease does not target heroes. I agree that the issue is simply the fact that Wasting Disease has the word "disease" in it, therefore it is forced into the Disease list. However, it does not function like any other disease. All other diseases (and poisons) specifically target heroes.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #21 on:** August 14, 2009, 08:30:42 AM »

Quote from: Captain Kirk on August 14, 2009, 02:10:24 AM

I didn't realize Wasting Disease was on that list. Regardless, I have contested that Plagued with Diseases is not a disease card and should not be, and I will say the same about Wasting Disease. I talked with Tim Maly briefly about PwD at nationals, and he mentioned that it will not be considered a disease when the new REG comes out.

Kirk

Why should PwD NOT be a disease? Not only does it have disease in the name, but it targets heroes for decrease. Diseases most often have decrease abilities. I do not see why PwD should be considered anything other than a disease.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #22 on:** August 14, 2009, 10:37:14 AM »

It does target heroes. Wasting disease just targets specific heroes, similar to cards that target heroes by testament.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #23 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:08:58 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 14, 2009, 10:37:14 AM

It does target heroes. Wasting disease just targets specific heroes, similar to cards that target heroes by testament.

They are not similar, since those cards specify "NT Heroes (or humans)."

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:09:22 AM »

If anything i would say Plagued with Diseases is more obviously a disease that Wasting Disease...but either way they both target heroes and are both diseases and I would say it seems pretty clear that Face of Death would discard heroes targeted by both cards. The question we were trying to answer is what about a character holding a "horsee" (draw two, play next enhancement)? They now have the ability to play the next enhancement so is the hero targeted by wasting disease or only the "horsee"?

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