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Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« on: February 26, 2010, 03:34:54 PM »
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I'm liking this card more and more, especially against big FBTN banding chains.

So, if I have Trap of the Devil (evil fortress-If the total strength of good cards in battle is 14/* or greater, special abilities on your evil cards cannot be prevented by good cards.) in territory, and my opponent rescues with the infamous Claudia, Simeon, Jacob, COTH banding chain... (giving them strength much greater than 14), or COTH with Captain's Sword, etc...

1)  I block with KOT, and the banding chain is negated, and a FBTN battle ensues between KOT and the first hero to enter battle?  or...
2)  I block with Uzzah and discard an artifact, and no lost soul can be rescued this turn?  or...
3)  I block with a banding chain of my own?  or...
4)  I block with King Zimri and discard an EE to discard all cards in battle?  or...
5)  I block with Enchanter or Egyptian Warden and remove a hero from battle?  or...
6)  I block with whichever EC I want to and play an enhancement as normal (like Flood), and its ability happens because of Trap of the Devil?

I just want to make sure that all of the above (and more) are possible.  If they are then this card might become a staple in most of my defenses (especially since it is an evil fortress and thus harder to negate).

Thanks for your help.
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2010, 03:40:29 PM »
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It all looks good from here.

Also, just wanted to make sure you know that TOTD does NOT make your evil cards CBN.  They could still interupt your cards and do their stuff to ya before the interupt stops.
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2010, 03:53:37 PM »
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All these scenarios are correct (although you could do #3 anyway). However, I wouldn't make this card a staple in your deck unless you play a lot of FbtN chains, which few people do nowadays. I find the CBP LS and Grapes of Wrath more useful than TotD, but perhaps it would be better in certain scenarios.
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2010, 06:16:18 PM »
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Quote from: stefferweffer on February 26, 2010, 03:34:54 PM
I'm liking this card more and more, especially against big FBTN banding chains.

So, if I have Trap of the Devil (evil fortress-If the total strength of good cards in battle is 14/* or greater, special abilities on your evil cards cannot be prevented by good cards.) in territory, and my opponent rescues with the infamous Claudia, Simeon, Jacob, COTH banding chain... (giving them strength much greater than 14), or COTH with Captain's Sword, etc...

1)  I block with KOT, and the banding chain is negated, and a FBTN battle ensues between KOT and the first hero to enter battle?  or...
2)  I block with Uzzah and discard an artifact, and no lost soul can be rescued this turn?  or...
3)  I block with a banding chain of my own?  or...
4)  I block with King Zimri and discard an EE to discard all cards in battle?  or...
5)  I block with Enchanter or Egyptian Warden and remove a hero from battle?  or...
6)  I block with whichever EC I want to and play an enhancement as normal (like Flood), and its ability happens because of Trap of the Devil?

I just want to make sure that all of the above (and more) are possible.  If they are then this card might become a staple in most of my defenses (especially since it is an evil fortress and thus harder to negate).

Thanks for your help.
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2010, 07:46:27 PM »
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play philistines fbtn solved they hate 12 fingered giant big time
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2010, 07:55:30 PM »
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Quote from: christiangamer25 on February 26, 2010, 07:46:27 PM
play philistines fbtn solved they hate 12 fingered giant big time
Every brigade has large numbers and ways to stop fbtn. He isn't forced to play Philistines. Just because you prefer them doesn't make them the best.
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2010, 08:18:06 PM »
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forced nah was just making a friendly suggestion ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2010, 08:47:36 AM »
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Follow up question - Is this check of 14 strength or greater only at the start of the battle phase, or at any point in it where the power of heroes is 14 or higher?  In other words, if he rescues with Strong Angel (10/8), he prevents everything, and we fight by the numbers.  If, after playing a couple enhancements, his strength reaches 14, do we now go back in time and let my evil character and enhancement abilities happen?
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2010, 08:51:39 AM »
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I would say no. Heres how I see that:

TSA enters, and is blocked. Battle is still FBTN.
You play some enhs which are prevented.
TSA plays striking herod, and is now over 14/*.
Now you can play an enhancement that is not prevented, but your original ones remain prevented.
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2010, 09:05:02 AM »
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I agree with Lambo's decision. As soon as a card is played, it either does or does not have CBN status. A card can not retroactively gain CBN status.
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2010, 10:04:45 AM »
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I mostly agree with YMT agreeing with L.Diablo. (My only quibble is that TTotD does not grant CBN  status, but CBP status.  YMT's analysis remains correct, however, after you emend it.)

Besides picking on YMT ( ;) ), I just wanted to point out that Leviathan is an awesome card used in combination with TTotD.  To beat Leviathan BTN the offense needs to be greater than 13. But if the offense is greater than 13, the battle is no longer BTN for Leviathan.
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2010, 11:11:02 AM »
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Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 27, 2010, 10:04:45 AM
I mostly agree with YMT agreeing with L.Diablo. (My only quibble is that TTotD does not grant CBN  status, but CBP status.  YMT's analysis remains correct, however, after you emend it.)

Besides picking on YMT ( ;) ), I just wanted to point out that Leviathan is an awesome card used in combination with TTotD.  To beat Leviathan BTN the offense needs to be greater than 13. But if the offense is greater than 13, the battle is no longer BTN for Leviathan.
Yeah, as is 12 fingered giant to stop banding as well.
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2010, 07:19:10 PM »
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Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 27, 2010, 10:04:45 AM
I mostly agree with YMT agreeing with L.Diablo. (My only quibble is that TTotD does not grant CBN  status, but CBP status.  YMT's analysis remains correct, however, after you emend it.)

Besides picking on YMT ( ;) ), I just wanted to point out that Leviathan is an awesome card used in combination with TTotD.  To beat Leviathan BTN the offense needs to be greater than 13. But if the offense is greater than 13, the battle is no longer BTN for Leviathan.

Well, technically, to beat Leviathan and 12 fingered Giant, they would need exactly 12 or higher, right?  It's not hard for COTH or TSA to play a strength 2 or 3 enhancement and still win in FBTN.  But this is assuming that someone only splashed in 12FG or Lev as stand alone, which I imagine is rather rare.
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2010, 09:28:47 PM »
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Quote from: stefferweffer on February 27, 2010, 07:19:10 PM
Well, technically, to beat Leviathan and 12 fingered Giant, they would need exactly 12 or higher, right?  It's not hard for COTH or TSA to play a strength 2 or 3 enhancement and still win in FBTN.  But this is assuming that someone only splashed in 12FG or Lev as stand alone, which I imagine is rather rare.

Actually, TFG is probably one of the more popular standalones. I have him as a standalone in at least two of my decks. Leviathan was a good standalone when FBTN was more popular, but I haven't seen him in decks in awhile.
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Re: Wanna make sure I understand Trap of the Devil right
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2010, 09:31:54 PM »
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what banding chains that are commonly used in todays metas warrants making 12fg a standalone? fbtnb isnt common enough anymore to make 12fg a legit standalone...

however, if you have support cards like philly outpost, pab, and garrison to compliment the 12fg, then i personally think thats the strongest pure standalone out there right now.
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