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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2010, 10:28:11 AM »
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It happens like that sometimes. Nobody is upset. A judgment call was made. Don't let something this little make you not want to host again...I don't wanna be the only host in this state....  Shocked  Roll Eyes lol

I said it would dampen my desire not eliminate it.  I am far to stubborn to give up on hosting that easily.  I apologize if my tone was harsh.  It was late, I was grumpy, and then I came to the ruling sections and saw this and my head went *boom*.  Its all good I don't think anymore needs to be said about it. 

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yo-da man
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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2010, 11:10:52 AM »
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It happens like that sometimes. Nobody is upset. A judgment call was made. Don't let something this little make you not want to host again...I don't wanna be the only host in this state....  Shocked  Roll Eyes lol

I said it would dampen my desire not eliminate it.  I am far to stubborn to give up on hosting that easily.  I apologize if my tone was harsh.  It was late, I was grumpy, and then I came to the ruling sections and saw this and my head went *boom*.  Its all good I don't think anymore needs to be said about it. 

Wanna hear a star wars joke?
who da man?
yo-da man
*insert laughter here* lol



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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2010, 12:41:00 PM »
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Keep in mind that the system is being run by one or two volunteers.  You get what you pay for.
Fixed. Therein lies the problem, methinks.
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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2010, 12:45:21 PM »
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Keep in mind that the system is being run by one or two volunteers.  You get what you pay for.
Fixed. Therein lies the problem, methinks.

And nobody else is allowed to help either... I've asked before.

I propose an idea:

Would it be possible for Rob or someone to appoint some experienced players to make approved edits in the current REG, to keep that updated until the New REG comes out?

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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2010, 12:53:54 PM »
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Keep in mind that the system is being run by one or two volunteers.  You get what you pay for.
Fixed. Therein lies the problem, methinks.
Er, we've got more than one or two elders.  They're part of the "system" your whole text wall was about.
And nobody else is allowed to help either... I've asked before.
Wonderful.
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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2010, 12:56:59 PM »
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Keep in mind that the system is being run by one or two volunteers.  You get what you pay for.
Fixed. Therein lies the problem, methinks.
Er, we've got more than one or two elders.  They're part of the "system" your whole text wall was about.

Elders do not all have the power to modify the REG as far as I know, just a smaller group is able to.

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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2010, 01:31:27 PM »
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The problem is Berkenpas set up the REG so literally nobody else can access it. Literally only his computer can even attempt to edit the REG. Good for preventing it from being hacked, bad for efficiency.
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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2010, 02:11:03 PM »
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And who would want to hack the REG maliciously?
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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2010, 02:16:03 PM »
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And who would want to hack the REG maliciously?

Ring Wraith, so his combo decks work again... ::)



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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2010, 02:16:53 PM »
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I'm honestly getting really tired of inconsistencies. Sometimes we play this huge semantics game and have to take everything literally. Then, we take something literally, and "oh no, that's not how that works." Can we get something uniform? The elders system was supposed to fix this, but that concept doesn't work when only 2-4 of them are talking.

I don't really think there's a great leap that needs to be made to apply the standard default target of cards in play for this scenario.  The ability does not say "in battle" and there are plenty of other cards that don't say "in battle" which people (correctly) use to target cards just about anywhere in play.  I don't understand how the system failed in this case.

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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2010, 02:27:25 PM »
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And who would want to hack the REG maliciously?
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
NOW WITH MY HACKING SKILLS, I CAN MAKE ANB AND SPLIT ALTAR SENSIBLE, EASY-TO-UNDERSTAND CARDS!!!!!!!
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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2010, 02:51:56 PM »
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Can we get something uniform? The elders system was supposed to fix this, but that concept doesn't work when only 2-4 of them are talking.
Actually the system is working.  2 elders (Gabe and Schaef) both posted on this thread and indicated that Wandering Spirit DOES target all "your" demons in battle and in territory.  I also agree with them.  That is a clear and concise ruling, and is exactly what the elder system is designed to give you.

As for all the comments about wanting a more accurate REG, I completely agree that it would be wonderful.  When I first became an Elder, I tried to push on this some.  Since then I regret to admit that I have somewhat given in to the malaise that it'll never finish.  However, I will go back and try to push again.  I apologize that we don't have an accurate and authoritative source that is written down and that hosts can use to make rulings.  Apparently the info was there on this specific ruling, but I understand people not bothering to even look these days when so much of it has changed.

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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2010, 02:56:29 PM »
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I'm honestly getting really tired of inconsistencies. Sometimes we play this huge semantics game and have to take everything literally. Then, we take something literally, and "oh no, that's not how that works." Can we get something uniform? The elders system was supposed to fix this, but that concept doesn't work when only 2-4 of them are talking.

I would never claim that all Redemption rulings are perfect, but this particular ruling is definitely consistent with the concept that abilities default to "in play" when seeking targets. It's simply a matter of realizing that "Discard a demon" = "Discard a demon [in play]" or "If your demon is discarded put it beneath deck instead" = If your demon [in play] is discarded put it beneath deck instead." Ruling it otherwise would be the inconsistent thing.

As for the Elders comment, Bryon, Schaef, Gabe, Prof U, Prof A and myself are fairly regular posters in this section, and several other Elders give input on the playtester side of the forum.
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Re: Wandering Spirit
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2010, 09:05:31 AM »
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Frankly, those people who just comment on the playtester board should be commenting where everyone can see.

I'm really not trying to be a jerk. I'm just incredibly tired of every tournament I go to having some discussion that is not directly addressed anywhere. Then, when I make a judgment call based on prior knowledge and what I assume to be common sense, and end up being wrong. I understand the concept of your. But it really should be written "Demon(s)" because of every other semantics argument we have. If things can be worded one way and interpreted another, then why couldn't we assume Split Altar meant to say what it was meant to do instead of making it the most useless National Promo known to man?

It's not working because of what Lambo said. It's controlled by one or two people, the game is how they want it, the new sets and new cards are planned out ahead of time by one or two people and there is little to no variation on it. The REG is incredibly out of date, has an offline version that's way too old to be useful, and there's nothing being done about it. Not all churches have internet access; where Korunks hosts is one of those churches. We can't look up things on the REG because it's not compatible on a Blackberry and it's so outdated it doesn't matter. I should not have to spend hours a week reading a forum in order to figure out rulings. I love you guys, but really, I'd rather read something more interesting than ruling arguments. 

Listen, I hope I didn't come off as offensive, I just think that things are not as they should be with the game in general.... maybe I shouldn't be saying these things on a public forum, but I just wanted to throw my opinion out there...

 


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