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Yes. If I recall correctly, "withdraw" is a special case of "return" that applies to characters. So any ability that returns characters to hand, territory, or deck is a withdraw ability.
Quote from: Professoralstad on March 07, 2011, 12:00:14 PMYes. If I recall correctly, "withdraw" is a special case of "return" that applies to characters. So any ability that returns characters to hand, territory, or deck is a withdraw ability. Why exactly is the "withdraw" only applicable to the hero? From the REG:Instant Special Abilities > Withdraw from Battle > General DescriptionWithdraw cards force or allow cards to leave the Field of Battle (see Withdraw in the glossary). The target and destination for withdrawal is specified on the withdrawal card. The most frequent use of withdrawal cards is to return a card to a player’s hand or territory. This quote would indicate that any card returned to hand would be considered a "withdraw" ability, and therefore would be stopped by Cornered.
It not a matter of breaking the game with visions. He broke it with Highway, and currently Visions lets him do basically the same thing, just with a different card. So send him that cookie!
actually I cant take credit for breaking the game with highway, there were plenty of people who built highway decks before me. And last years deck that broke it with highway was Johnathan Pequinot's deck, mine was a slightly varied copy of his.
Quote from: YourMathTeacher on March 09, 2011, 04:26:53 PMQuote from: Professoralstad on March 07, 2011, 12:00:14 PMYes. If I recall correctly, "withdraw" is a special case of "return" that applies to characters. So any ability that returns characters to hand, territory, or deck is a withdraw ability. Why exactly is the "withdraw" only applicable to the hero? From the REG:Instant Special Abilities > Withdraw from Battle > General DescriptionWithdraw cards force or allow cards to leave the Field of Battle (see Withdraw in the glossary). The target and destination for withdrawal is specified on the withdrawal card. The most frequent use of withdrawal cards is to return a card to a player’s hand or territory. This quote would indicate that any card returned to hand would be considered a "withdraw" ability, and therefore would be stopped by Cornered.I guess I got that idea from the fact that in the new REG (cue rotten tomatoes coming my way), "withdraw" is an ability that targets characters in battle. However, that is not yet official, and it seems that this situation may present a problem that would perhaps make us rethink that point.
Is [Visions] a withdraw ability?
The current design/plan for withdraw is that the "withdraw" keyword refers to the subset of return abilities that: (1) target a character in battle, (2) return them to territory, and possibly (3) is optional to the player whose character leaves battle.
Quote from: SirNobody on March 18, 2011, 01:19:01 PMThe current design/plan for withdraw is that the "withdraw" keyword refers to the subset of return abilities that: (1) target a character in battle, (2) return them to territory, and possibly (3) is optional to the player whose character leaves battle.This is a very limited definition of "withdraw" which would severely limit the cards that refer to the withdraw ability. Whether that is a good thing or not is yet to be determined.
We're not withdrawing, we're advancing in a different direction.
ok so Visions of Iddo is not a withdraw ability so using cornered to negate all hero withdraw abilities will do nothing to Visions of Iddo. OK. SO what is Visions of Iddo? WHat type of ability is it?
