Author Topic: Verse for King David (Read 4349 times)

Professoralstad · « **on:** July 24, 2009, 01:21:03 PM »

I was looking at King David in the REG, and was curious why he was given the same verse as the other Davids (I Samuel 17:37--about his fight with Goliath). It's not a huge issue, but I'd think that a II Samuel reference would be more appropriate, since that's where he is King. Like II Samuel 5:3.

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37David said moreover, The LORD that delivered me out of the paw of the lion, and out of the paw of the bear, he will deliver me out of the hand of this Philistine. And Saul said unto David, Go, and the LORD be with thee.

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3So all the elders of Israel came to the king to Hebron; and king David made a league with them in Hebron before the LORD: and they anointed David king over Israel.

Since there are a few cards that have to do with the specific book reference, like the new LS, it may be nice to more accurately reflect his Kingship. If it was written on the card, then I wouldn't ask for a change (since that would get confusing) but since the verse is only in the REG, I think it could/should be changed. Thoughts?

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #1 on:** July 24, 2009, 01:30:09 PM »

This makes sense, especially because KD isn't WC.

Korunks · « **Reply #2 on:** July 24, 2009, 01:46:32 PM »

But it makes him available for several banding options, I Like it but the consequences need to be evaluated by the PTB.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2009, 01:53:15 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on July 24, 2009, 01:46:32 PM

But it makes him available for several banding options, I Like it but the consequences need to be evaluated by the PTB.

Like what? All the guys who band to II Samuel or I Chronicles guys band to WC only. King David isn't WC. The only added banding option I can think of is playing Working Together on a II Samuel hero...not exactly game-breaking.

I'm not arguing this from any strategic standpoint, I assure you. I just think that the verses should more accurately reflect the cards.

Korunks · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2009, 02:00:56 PM »

Hrmm I though King David was WC, then I don't see any issue.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #5 on:** July 24, 2009, 03:52:43 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on July 24, 2009, 02:00:56 PM

Hrmm I though King David was WC, then I don't see any issue.

Not reading the posts above yours, now?

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on July 24, 2009, 01:30:09 PM

This makes sense, especially because KD isn't WC.

Korunks · « **Reply #6 on:** July 24, 2009, 04:05:50 PM »

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Not reading the posts above yours, now?

Must have missed it, sorry

frisian9 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 25, 2009, 02:57:50 PM »

The verse provided in the REG is not official. King David has no verse printed, so the same one as his other cards was used. It really doesn't matter what is listed in the REG, because King David as a card cannot be referenced by the book of the Bible (since there is none listed). That is rare that a card does not list a reference somewhere on the card.

Mike

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #8 on:** July 25, 2009, 02:59:36 PM »

Quote from: frisian9 on July 25, 2009, 02:57:50 PM

The verse provided in the REG is not official. King David has no verse printed, so the same one as his other cards was used. It really doesn't matter what is listed in the REG, because King David as a card cannot be referenced by the book of the Bible (since there is none listed). That is rare that a card does not list a reference somewhere on the card.

Mike

Is it because the King David in question is a promo?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #9 on:** July 25, 2009, 03:02:06 PM »

Quote from: frisian9 on July 25, 2009, 02:57:50 PM

The verse provided in the REG is not official. King David has no verse printed, so the same one as his other cards was used. It really doesn't matter what is listed in the REG, because King David as a card cannot be referenced by the book of the Bible (since there is none listed). That is rare that a card does not list a reference somewhere on the card.

Mike

Ah. I thought the REG verse was the verse used for SA's on the unversed Promos. Then I guess I have no problem at all.

frisian9 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2009, 03:07:25 PM »

I honestly don't recall who made the determination to select the verses for "unversed promos" (it was done by playtesters), so what is in the REG is simply for reference. The problem is that anyone using the card in a game really has to go on card value, hence can't use a Bible book for King David. In order for a Bible book to be official for game play, King David would have to be given errata. At present, that has not been done.

Mike

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #11 on:** July 25, 2009, 03:09:26 PM »

Wait, that means he can't be targeted by say, Evil Spirit, because it specifies OT. Wow, interesting.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #12 on:** July 25, 2009, 03:10:53 PM »

Quote from: Janissary on July 25, 2009, 03:09:26 PM

Wait, that means he can't be targeted by say, Evil Spirit, because it specifies OT. Wow, interesting.

I'm sure he still can. King David is an O.T. hero, regardless of his lack of reference, because he lived before the birth of Christ.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #13 on:** July 25, 2009, 03:14:03 PM »

Let the argument now begin (and end) whether SoG is a OT or NT card.

with FresnoRedemption. David is obviously OT, and a card that targets NT heroes should not effect him because a NT verse looked better on the physical card.

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #14 on:** July 25, 2009, 03:16:36 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on July 25, 2009, 03:14:03 PM

Let the argument now begin (and end) whether SoG is a OT or NT card.

with FresnoRedemption. David is obviously OT, and a card that targets NT heroes should not effect him because a NT verse looked better on the physical card.

Thank you, Cameron! But since the Son of God was pre-existent before time (and exists outside of time), maybe we need a third classification for any card referencing God.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #15 on:** July 25, 2009, 03:57:34 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on July 25, 2009, 03:14:03 PM

Let the argument now begin (and end) whether SoG is a OT or NT card.

There can be no argument. Unless you want EVERYONE to play with a Genesis deck w/ Stone Pillar at Bethel.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #16 on:** July 25, 2009, 05:59:15 PM »

It's bad enough that you can grab AotL.

Tsavong Lah · « **Reply #17 on:** July 25, 2009, 06:47:10 PM »

Quote from: FresnoRedemption on July 25, 2009, 03:10:53 PM

I'm sure he still can. King David is an O.T. hero, regardless of his lack of reference, because he lived before the birth of Christ.

Quote from: frisian9 on July 25, 2009, 02:57:50 PM

It really doesn't matter what is listed in the REG, because King David as a card cannot be referenced by the book of the Bible (since there is none listed).

If you can't reference King David because of his lack of verse, then you shouldn't be able to target him based on a reference. I see no reason why Evil Spirit can target him.

sk · « **Reply #18 on:** July 25, 2009, 06:50:21 PM »

He's still an OT hero, just as the Emperors are NT evil characters.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #19 on:** July 25, 2009, 07:26:35 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 25, 2009, 05:59:15 PM

It's bad enough that you can grab AotL.

Ummm...Unless you mean Army of the Lord instead of the obvious card with that abbreviation, you can't. NJ however...

*Edit--The Professor stands corrected.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #20 on:** July 25, 2009, 07:29:45 PM »

There's an OT printing of AotL.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #21 on:** July 25, 2009, 07:31:37 PM »

Quote from: Arch Angel on July 25, 2009, 07:29:45 PM

There's an OT printing of AotL.

Really? Not according to the REG. Care to say which one? I'm curious...

Arch Angel · « **Reply #22 on:** July 25, 2009, 07:32:34 PM »

I'm not positive which deck it's from, but it's the old-school Angel image. The Ref. is Exodus 3:2.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #23 on:** July 25, 2009, 07:36:38 PM »

Indeed you are correct. The G deck AotL is indeed from Exodus. I guess I'll be changing my Genesis deck a bit...

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