Author Topic: using New promos at tourneys? (Read 6193 times)

soul seeker · « **on:** May 30, 2009, 12:44:15 AM »

Hey guys,
I know we've discussed this before but I couldn't find the thread and I want to be clear so I don't tell someone wrong. Can you use the brand new promo at the same tournament you receive? (For example: new Haman at the same State Tourney you just got it from)

related question: what about technicalities like you get it Friday and want to use it in T1 on Saturday?

Let me know something official so players/participants don't get upset.

Gabe · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2009, 12:57:10 AM »

You cannot use the brand new promo at the same tourney you received it. If a player went to a previous State tourney and got a Haman, or purchased one from someone who did, it would be legal for them to use that Haman.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2009, 01:34:44 AM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on May 30, 2009, 12:57:10 AM

You cannot use the brand new promo at the same tourney you received it. If a player went to a previous State tourney and got a Haman, or purchased one from someone who did, it would be legal for them to use that Haman.

That's what I always thought, but everytribe (aka Wild Bill) recently told me that at State and higher level tourneys, the promos can not be used in the same season at the same tournament level they were first given. So, for example, this year Haman is not legal at any State level tournament this year (but it would be legal at Regionals and Nationals).

Can I get verification one way or another on this?

sk · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2009, 01:39:16 AM »

I've never heard that before, only the rules that Gabe described.

Tsavong Lah · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2009, 02:16:17 AM »

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You cannot use the brand new promo at the same tourney you received it. If a player went to a previous State tourney and got a Haman, or purchased one from someone who did, it would be legal for them to use that Haman.

Aww, I didn't know that. Sad.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2009, 06:42:31 AM »

It does sound inconsistent to have the rule the way Gabe stated. That would seem to cause an unfair situation for the few people who can access the promos online, or more concerning, cause inflated sale values for the people who sell cards online. We are limiting access to certain cards to a very select group of players. I can only see that as being detrimental at the least, elitist at the worst.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2009, 09:40:13 AM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on May 30, 2009, 01:34:44 AM

Can I get verification one way or another on this?

I have heard it the way that Bill Voigt described it. I believe the question was raised a couple years ago in regards to Jairus, and that was the answer given back then as well.

If it was the way Gabe described, it gives a distinct advantage to hosting a state tournament early and then attending other state tournaments.

Kirk

SirNobody · « **Reply #7 on:** May 30, 2009, 02:26:23 PM »

Hey,

Bill's thought makes more sense to me, but everything I've ever been told by official sources supports what Gabe has described.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

DaClock · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2009, 02:34:00 PM »

This hasn't really been an issue before outside of nationals, has it? I don't know anybody that wanted to use Jairus or Ordained as Disciples in their deck...

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:31:04 PM »

But Haman on the other hand.... He's mean.

NWJosh · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:36:01 PM »

At the Oregon State tourney it was ruled that Haman's could not be used by those who got them at the Nevada State tourney. As the Northwest regional host I would rule that Gates to Jerusalem could not be used even if they were purchased or recieved from another regional tourney. I've always heard that state, regional and Nationals promos that are new could not be used in a similar level tourney in the same year.

sk · « **Reply #11 on:** May 30, 2009, 10:02:37 PM »

Bryon confirmed Gabe's post at today's tournament. However, if I understood him right, the restriction only applied to the new promo (other 5 others are legal). There may not be a consensus on the issue.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #12 on:** May 30, 2009, 10:06:41 PM »

Quote from: sk on May 30, 2009, 10:02:37 PM

There may not be a consensus on the issue.

Apparently.

everytribe · « **Reply #13 on:** May 31, 2009, 12:44:24 AM »

I agree with what Bill Voigt said. I think that was what was officially decided a couple years ago.

MrMiYoda · « **Reply #14 on:** June 03, 2009, 08:30:24 PM »

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You cannot use the brand new promo at the same tourney you received it. If a player went to a previous State tourney and got a Haman, or purchased one from someone who did, it would be legal for them to use that Haman.

With all due respect, what's the difference between Haman given to you at a current State tourney and Haman bought or received somewhere else?

I would rule Haman not to be used officially at any State tourney before Nats09? Doesn't it make more sense to do just that?

Rob? Schaef?

Rrulez · « **Reply #15 on:** June 03, 2009, 08:36:08 PM »

+ 1 Reyzen

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #16 on:** June 03, 2009, 10:16:58 PM »

Quote from: ReyZen on June 03, 2009, 08:30:24 PM

With all due respect, what's the difference between Haman given to you at a current State tourney and Haman bought or received somewhere else?

I would rule Haman not to be used officially at any State tourney before Nats09? Doesn't it make more sense to do just that?

The Schaef · « **Reply #17 on:** June 03, 2009, 10:25:17 PM »

What Gabe said has always been my understanding. What Matt says seems more fair to all involved parties.

I have no authority to change it, and I'm not really invested in the outcome, to be honest, but I think at present Gabe's reading is correct.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #18 on:** June 03, 2009, 10:27:55 PM »

I'm invested. Make it stop!

Master KChief · « **Reply #19 on:** June 03, 2009, 10:35:20 PM »

its always been my understanding to be the way gabe detailed. this came up a few years back for me actually at a regionals...nicanor had just came out, but i used the loophole of purchasing the card early so i could use it in the regional tournament i was attending. it was allowed.

Gabe · « **Reply #20 on:** June 03, 2009, 10:48:25 PM »

Just to be clear, I got my ruling on the use of promos from Kevin Shride. He's a long time tournament hosting vet and I've learned most of what I know about hosting from him. What I stated was pretty much his exact ruling at Iowa States this year when we co-hosted.

So as far as I know, like Schaef said, Kevin's ruling is the current standard. I do agree that it would be more fair to not allow the new state promo to be used at any state level tournaments this year.

If we make that change it brings up other questions. Is it legal to use the Panic Demon promo at another local tournament during the season it's released? How about using Jonathan, son of Joiada at a district? Where do we draw the line?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #21 on:** June 03, 2009, 11:00:57 PM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on June 03, 2009, 10:48:25 PM

Where do we draw the line?

The once-a-year tournaments are a good line.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #22 on:** June 03, 2009, 11:30:51 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on June 03, 2009, 11:00:57 PM

Quote from: BrianGabe on June 03, 2009, 10:48:25 PM
Where do we draw the line?
The once-a-year tournaments are a good line.

Sean · « **Reply #23 on:** June 03, 2009, 11:50:07 PM »

I am in favor of draw the line at the once per year tournaments.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #24 on:** June 03, 2009, 11:51:29 PM »

The only once a year tournament is natz

I think the line should be state and higher, the one per location type tournaments.

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